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#91
General News and Discussion / Re: 1600 American Banks On Bri...
Last post by Bonaventure - May 10, 2024, 02:21:10 PMQuote from: clau clau on March 27, 2023, 06:06:27 AMQuote from: awkward customer on March 27, 2023, 04:09:30 AMQuote from: clau clau on March 26, 2023, 05:58:03 PMI am getting a bit sick of fear porn. I thought Jesus told us 'do not be afraid'?
Who's afraid?
Why are there 2 awkward customer accounts?
- awkward customer (with a space) and
- awkwardcustomer
Which awkward customer are you?
@Kaesekopf LoL
#92
The Coffee Pot / Re: Is Chicago Deep Dish pizza...
Last post by Heinrich - May 10, 2024, 02:14:45 PMOther than Texas, there is no other swollen LARP as Chicago. Once upon a time in Democrat days of glory, the ethnic character there was glorious, like most Midwest cities. Ever since cosmopalitan finance and the winds of cultural progression blew away the ethnic enclaves, Chitown is the epicenter of Great Lakes bourgeoisie. Furthermore, the deep dish style of pizza is good, but casseroley indeed.
#93
Coffee and Donuts / Re: Members You Wish Would Not...
Last post by Bonaventure - May 10, 2024, 02:12:12 PMQuote from: LausTibiChriste on May 10, 2024, 02:08:46 PMJayne
As she said, "not posting" because she is mad and blames a bunch of anonymous personae on an Internet forum for a 60+ year old grown man not following mainstream medical advice and supposedly dying of Coof.
In her mind the forum is responsible for his death. We put a virtual gun to his head and told him "take the ivermectin, don't get the jab."
#94
Coffee and Donuts / Re: Members You Wish Would Not...
Last post by Bonaventure - May 10, 2024, 02:10:32 PMQuote from: LausTibiChriste on May 10, 2024, 02:08:39 PMTracy
She was never here and I doubt ever will be.
#95
Coffee and Donuts / Re: Members You Wish Would Not...
Last post by LausTibiChriste - May 10, 2024, 02:08:46 PMJayne
#96
Coffee and Donuts / Re: Members You Wish Would Not...
Last post by LausTibiChriste - May 10, 2024, 02:08:39 PMTracy
#97
Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Whether political apathy i...
Last post by Bonaventure - May 10, 2024, 02:07:59 PMQuote from: KreKre on May 10, 2024, 01:57:43 PMWhen priests and bishops said "a Catholic is required to vote" or "not voting is a sin of omission" or anything of the sort, in every case that I am aware of, they were speaking regarding some specific elections, urging the faithful to take action and make a difference.
If the elections are, for example, like in North Korea, where you only have one option on the ballot, then it is obvious that you should not vote, since in that case, voting means you are giving your consent to the evil regime.
However, the demons around you might convince you that the situation in your country is just as hopeless as it is in North Korea. That there is no vote that can possibly make the situation any less bad than it is. That all options on the ballot are equally terrible. They point out the flaws of all candidates, to demoralize you. In reality, what they are appealing to is your laziness, complacency, and they tempt you to commit the sin of despair. This is because the demons have a preference in the election and they simply do not want you to vote differently. Taking advise from these demons and giving in to apathy would certainly be a grave sin.
I live in a major metropolitan area on the Left Coast.
The situation here is as hopeless as North Korea. We are Americans all ascribe a certain sanctity to democracy and voting. It's a part of the national ethos. My wife was a religious in temporary vows in the Philippines. She never ever voted in her life.
I'm not in Idaho or Kansas.
That's why I previously said, it depends.
If I am in a small Texas county of 15,000 souls and my buddy at the FSSP chapel is running for sheriff: he is a married man, 4 kids, pro life, etc. then I'd say yes, I would probably be morally obliged to vote for him.
Same goes if it is mayoral race, etc.
In this day and age, it depends.
#98
Traditional Catholic Discussion / Re: Fr Gruner's status
Last post by Bonaventure - May 10, 2024, 02:05:00 PMThe CE explained it rather well:
Incardination gives a cleric his purpose, so to speak.
We are all, in one way or another, used to something that the Church has always forbidden and found repugnant: autocephalus, wandering, independent clergy.
Whether this be an SSPX priest, an independent chapel aligned with the SSPX/R&R, independent Sedes, etc etc etc.
These are huge anomalies for the ecclesiological landscape, for many reasons.
First, prior to V2 and the new code of canon law, a priest needed a bishop to simply function. Only the Apostolic See, by means of a specific dispensation, could grant a simple priest the power to consecrate oil of the sick. No oil, no extreme unction.
Not even danger of death could supply this faculty. Unless I'm mistaken, this changed in the new code.
That is why for sedes and even some R&Rers, having a bishop is a huge deal. It's why June 30, 1988 happened. Why the SSPV coerced an old, non traditional Novus Ordo bishop (Mendez) to consecrate Fr. Kelly. Why Dolan and Sanborn went to the "Thuc Line." I recall where a Resistance priest was refused oils by Bishop Williamson, and +W's letter was made public.
Major orders was akin to being a made man in a mafia family, or being given a union/government job.
In exchange for service, a man was given several sureties: food, lodging, healthcare, basic living expenses, etc. There would be a reason as to why his ordination was necessary - namely a benefice or flock or duty to look after.
One need only look at the Old Catholics, or Hugh Church Anglicans, where a man can be ordained or even consecrated, oftentimes validly, after putting the right number of zeroes on a check.
QuoteIncardination is canonical and perpetual enlistment in the new diocese to which a given person has been transferred by letters of excardination. It must be remembered that in canon law a person belongs to a bishop in any one or more of the four following ways: by birth, by benefice, by domicile, or by service. In accordance with this the Church has always maintained the principle that excardination cannot be forced upon a person unwilling to accept it, nor at the same time can it be withheld unless there exist a just reason. The Council of Trent is most clear in its legislation on these matters, as will be seen from the following: "Whereas no one ought to be ordained, who, in the judgment of his own bishop, is not useful or necessary for his churches, the Holy Synod, in the spirit of what was enjoined by the sixth canon of the Council of Chalcedon, ordains that no one shall for the future be ordained without being attached to that church, or pious place, for the need or utility of which he is promoted, where he shall discharge his duties, and may not wander about without any certain abode
Incardination gives a cleric his purpose, so to speak.
We are all, in one way or another, used to something that the Church has always forbidden and found repugnant: autocephalus, wandering, independent clergy.
Whether this be an SSPX priest, an independent chapel aligned with the SSPX/R&R, independent Sedes, etc etc etc.
These are huge anomalies for the ecclesiological landscape, for many reasons.
First, prior to V2 and the new code of canon law, a priest needed a bishop to simply function. Only the Apostolic See, by means of a specific dispensation, could grant a simple priest the power to consecrate oil of the sick. No oil, no extreme unction.
Not even danger of death could supply this faculty. Unless I'm mistaken, this changed in the new code.
That is why for sedes and even some R&Rers, having a bishop is a huge deal. It's why June 30, 1988 happened. Why the SSPV coerced an old, non traditional Novus Ordo bishop (Mendez) to consecrate Fr. Kelly. Why Dolan and Sanborn went to the "Thuc Line." I recall where a Resistance priest was refused oils by Bishop Williamson, and +W's letter was made public.
Major orders was akin to being a made man in a mafia family, or being given a union/government job.
In exchange for service, a man was given several sureties: food, lodging, healthcare, basic living expenses, etc. There would be a reason as to why his ordination was necessary - namely a benefice or flock or duty to look after.
One need only look at the Old Catholics, or Hugh Church Anglicans, where a man can be ordained or even consecrated, oftentimes validly, after putting the right number of zeroes on a check.
#99
Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Whether political apathy i...
Last post by Mono no aware - May 10, 2024, 02:02:50 PMJust for clarity: I'm not talking about Trump vs. Biden. That choice interests me for other, completely different reasons.
#100
Coffee and Donuts / Re: Members You Wish Would Not...
Last post by Heinrich - May 10, 2024, 02:01:45 PMOh my!