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The Coffee Pot / Re: RIP Pernell "Sweat Pea" Whitaker
« Last post by Heinrich on Today at 10:01:27 AM »
Weeping for a black boxer.

This is traditional Catholicism in 2019.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

This coming from a guy who can't find a lady nor punch through a soaking wet piece of cardboard.
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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Fr. Ripperger on movies (again)
« Last post by Gardener on Today at 09:58:25 AM »
How is that hurtful?  I certainly know little about natural law theory in general, let alone its history; can you explain (with examples, not just assertions) where the problem is - perhaps in non-Catholic natural law?
Well I'm not Kreuzritter, but I think the problem is that natural law theory simply isn't "Christian". I'd say it's closer to Pelagianism. The Christian belief found in St. Augustine and I think St. Paul is basically that it is impossible for a man to be righteous except through grace. Natural law theory says the opposite: anyone can be righteous, with or without grace, if only he follows the correct line of reasoning. Some well-intentioned Catholics such as St. Thomas believed that natural law theory was not incompatible with the Christian notion of grace. But the fact of the matter is that it sets a dangerous precedent. It's no longer about allowing grace to transform us and God to act through us, but it's now more about trying to attain the knowledge of good and evil and become like Gods ourselves. This same attitude leads to people coming up with seemingly-rational arguments in favour of homosexuality, since you can "reason" your way to just about anything. But just because it seems reasonable, that doesn't mean it's true.

But I personally believe that scientific knowledge of ethics is impossible anyway. God alone knows good from evil, and all of our moral knowledge has come to us only through revelation and illumination. Natural law theory might work as an apologetic argument, in defense of truth, but it's certainly not the source of anyone's moral knowledge.

Righteousness = supernatural (above nature)
Natural Law = well, natural

Therefore, to adhere to natural law is not to be righteous of itself. Ergo, it is not anymore Pelagian to do so than a dog feeding her pups is a corporal work of mercy. That nature can be raised by grace, and thus naturally good/natural things subsumed by higher things, does not mean nature raised itself.

The problem with misunderstanding this comes from two places:

1) Theologically - Augustine never really got over Manichean doctrine. While I will not dispute that he is the Doctor of Grace, his former heresy absolutely informed his vigorous, even overboard, defense of grace.

2) Anthropologically - A misunderstanding of man and his nature as created by God, though wounded at the fall.

The former informs the latter, as we see in the writings of men like Augustine, Calvin, etc.

ETA: It is imperative that people STOP conflating Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism. It is also very important to adhere to the definitions of those heresies lest one make a false argument.

Pelagianism - man can be saved without grace

Semi-Pelagianism - man will be given grace for doing all which he can (essentially command grace to be given by an act of the free will prior to grace being given).

If any system posits a grace first model, it is not Semi-Pelagian. And yes, that means even when it contradicts the Calvinist heresy of which Augustine is responsible due to his rhetorical hyperbole.
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The Coffee Pot / Re: RIP Pernell "Sweat Pea" Whitaker
« Last post by Gardener on Today at 09:44:55 AM »
Last I checked, prayer for the dead and charity towards others are definitely Traditional things to do.

I can't find "praise the glories of a war mongering heretic" anywhere in the old manuscripts though.

May he rest in peace, and if he's in Hell, may he give ol' Mohammed a solid left hook.
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Wait, Mac--you know the DevotedKnuckles personally? As in, you could ring him up, and hang out with a bottle?

No Heinrich, I wish I could.  I lost contact with him when he got pissed off and left Fish Eaters.  it was back then that he told me in PM that he was discerning the Mercedarians.

 :'(
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"Flounder, flounder in the sea,
Come, I pray thee, here to me;
For my wife, good Ilsabil,
Wills not as I'd have her will."


https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Grimm%27s_Household_Tales,_Volume_1/The_Fisherman_and_His_Wife
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Traditional Catholic Discussion / Re: The "Immaculata"
« Last post by Gardener on Today at 09:00:16 AM »
Philip. I've noticed that a lot of trads can't forgive  St. Maximilian for sacrificing his life to save a Jewish man.  I've also noticed an endless need to obsess over the Society and accuse them of not being pure enough. Often the people who who make these criticisms don't know enough about Latin, church history or the vastness of experience and custom within the Roman Latin rite and are not as smart as they think they are.

Just a minor quibble, but Franciszek Gajowniczek was a Polish Catholic. Not sure where he got turned into a Jewish man, but it is a common misconception of the narrative of St. Maximilian's charitable sacrifice in his place. The prisoner who had appeared to escape, prompting the selection of 10 for the starvation bunker in retribution, was later found dead in the cesspit of the latrine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciszek_Gajowniczek
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Busy, so I can't really get to the rest of the thread right now.
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General News and Discussion / Re: The Faith of a Prince
« Last post by Kreuzritter on Today at 08:20:54 AM »
Vetus's fetish for Islam and his description fo his religion as "the way" are becoming clearer now. He's caught the Perrennialist bug and armchair occultist Cologero's pseudo-mysticism.
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The Coffee Pot / Re: RIP Pernell "Sweat Pea" Whitaker
« Last post by Kreuzritter on Today at 08:04:32 AM »
How about we back up to your comment about skin color.  So what if Pernell is black.  What does that have to do with anything? You sound racist.

Was Pernell a black boxer or not? That's what I stated. It's a statement of fact.

A fact which is totally redundant to your comment unless there's some significance in it to his being "black". Well, we've seen you before implying racial, not religious, undertones to your views of Jewry, so it's not too difficult to imagine why you'd say "black boxer" rather than just "boxer".

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1. The modern Olympic Games are an unmistakable revival of pagan ideals. Being an "olympic gold medalist" is irrelevant to any sound thinking Christian;

Yeah, that doesn't follow at all, namely, that "any sound thinking Christian", which you aren't by the way, wouldn't admire a man for his God-given physical talents and the achievements he won through hard work.

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2. What you call patriotism is a modern and sectarian concept that runs contrary to the universal brotherhood of Christians;

Man is a debtor chiefly to his parents and his country, after God. Wherefore just as it belongs to religion to give worship to God, so it belongs to piety, in the second place, to show reverence to one’s parents and one’s country. - St. Thomas Aquinas

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3. Boxing consists of harming someone else's physical integrity for the vain entertainment of others.

It's clear that you understand neither the mentality of martial artists nor that of the average combat sport enthusiast.

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It is a regulated beat'em up. That there are "traditional" Catholics who are supportive of such a bestial sport speaks volumes of how inane is the cry and revolt about modern society and how utterly pathetic is the goal to restore whatever was lost in the 50's.

Your comment speaks volumes about what an utterly pathetic example of a feminised cuck you are.


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Traditional Catholic Discussion / Re: The "Immaculata"
« Last post by dymphnaw on Today at 06:59:29 AM »
Philip. I've noticed that a lot of trads can't forgive  St. Maximilian for sacrificing his life to save a Jewish man.  I've also noticed an endless need to obsess over the Society and accuse them of not being pure enough. Often the people who who make these criticisms don't know enough about Latin, church history or the vastness of experience and custom within the Roman Latin rite and are not as smart as they think they are.
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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: Fr. Ripperger on movies (again)
« Last post by Kreuzritter on Today at 05:37:46 AM »
People with common sense. Start it at :58 seconds and yes there is Protestant garbage at the end, but what a shame this guy gets it more than most.


Aren't you supporting heresy by watching and sharing a video you know contains heresy?

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