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Watched this with my grandson who's 10. We both enjoyed it.
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Family Life / Re: marriage after pregnancy?
« Last post by coffeeandcigarette on Today at 05:08:27 PM »
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What principles should inform her choice?

We are forgetting about his choice.  I'd wait until the child is born and then get a paternity test.  The other is the circumstances.  I'm assuming she was using birth control.  If she was on the pill, most likely she got pregnant on purpose to lock him down, in which case she is a liar, beyond the fibs that most women tell.

There are two choices, based on the kid, because he is the only one to consider in this scenario:

1.  Assuming this was on the up-and-up, and they were talking marriage anyway, marriage is the best route.  The kid gets a father.

2.  Put the baby up for adoption.  The kid gets a father.

Jaded much? It sounds like they were in a relationship that was committed enough that I don't think he would need to worry about a paternity test. Secondly, "got pregnant on purpose?" Do you know how often condoms and pills fail? All the time. Do you honestly think most American women aren't on birth control or using condoms? They are, but these methods fail all the time, hence the large number of abortions.
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Arts and Leisure / Re: What are you currently reading?
« Last post by rosenley on Today at 04:39:27 PM »
1. Liberty, the God That Failed: Policing the Sacred and Constructing the Myths of the Secular State, from Locke to Obama by Christopher A. Ferrara

2. Nothing to Vote for: The Futility of the American Electoral Process by Daniel Schwindt

3. The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit: And Its Impact on World History by E. Michael Jones

I just finished Daniel Schwindt's book today. I have now started Being Consumed: Economics and Christian Desire by William T. Cavanaugh.
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General News and Discussion / Re: The Riots Thread
« Last post by Fleur-de-Lys on Today at 04:24:53 PM »
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In historical images of civil rights protests, the crowds were 90 percent black. It was our anger, our rage, our blood. This week, Ive seen many more white people than black people on the streets. I think black folks are disillusioned. We live in a system thats been punishing people of color for 400 years, both before and after slavery was abolished. Its hard to imagine a revolution working when the people at these protests dont reflect those most affected. Id prefer to see only black people looting, rioting, and getting arrested. Im not endorsing those tactics, but at least we would know the rage is authentic.

I think the most interesting portion of the article Vetus posted is the section that he bolded, in which the writer recognizes that the "rage" being expressed is not even authentic. Rather the "rage" of black people, whether justified or not, has been co-opted by white liberals and others to further their own agendas.
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General News and Discussion / Re: The Riots Thread
« Last post by awkwardcustomer on Today at 04:06:51 PM »
It's the same old rage, Vetus.  I'm not sure why it's "fascinating" to you, because for most whites in the U.S., this piece is unoriginal and the same Message as has been played out everywhere.  It's also the reason why the peaceful protesters and those leaders did not condemn the vicious looters and violent creators of mayhem:  It's because it's exactly the same rage.

Rage is usually a mark of perceived impotence:  a mixture of Anger and Envy which is the result of the perception of impotence and/or a demand for recognition which the raging person judges as insufficient.

This will never end in any peaceful manner.  It will either persist in this relatively low level of agitation -- made possible only with the cooperation of the Leftist media and their political spokesmouths -- or it will erupt into a "revolution" of sorts, aided and armed by the self-hating power structure.

Shelby Steele, sane black commentator/writer, said a day or two ago that "there will always be racism."  Naturally, it is not possible to control people's private attitudes and personal behavior and preferences unless you live in an effectively controlled police state.  It is also not possible to effectively oppose an existing economic and political structure, short of armed revolution.  But black radicals and their white friends think that Rage will end whatever perceived level of racism they believe exists, and they plan to hold white people psychologically hostage until we "do homage," which is why I said the other day on this forum that this is at least a simulation of the coming Antichrist, if not more than that. 

As a Catholic, I am repelled by the concept of genuflecting to any human being, short of the protocol one has to exhibit on meeting a pope, etc.  While on earth, I genuflect to an inhabited tabernacle.  Shame on that bishop in Texas.

Thanks for this.  I needed some sanity after listening to hours of non stop protests one street away and now, a helicopter hovering endlessly.  My neighbour got into a confrontation with some of them earlier and then rang me up cheering when the thunder started, hoping the rain would scare the protestors away. Unfortunately the rain has cleared and more protests are planned for tomorrow at the US embassy.

I finally understood the trick they're playing.  Those behind these coordinated, worldwide protests are saying that capitalism = white violence which leads to racism.  You could be black and a supporter of capitalism or, worse still, a business owner or entrepreneur, and you would still be guilty of white violence.

This is how they wriggle out of accusations of racism against white people, by saying that white people who fight against capitalism are not guilty of white violence and by extension racism.

Therefore, to prove your anti racist credentials, you have to be against capitalism. 

Clever.
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Letter from +Vigano
« Last post by Xavier on Today at 03:45:43 PM »
Excellent letter from His Excellency. Thanks for posting, James.

"June 7, 2020

Holy Trinity Sunday

Mr. President,

            In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.

            These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent. On the one hand there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses, are motivated by the desire to do good, to be honest, to raise a family, to engage in work, to give prosperity to their homeland, to help the needy, and, in obedience to the Law of God, to merit the Kingdom of Heaven. On the other hand, there are those who serve themselves, who do not hold any moral principles, who want to demolish the family and the nation, exploit workers to make themselves unduly wealthy, foment internal divisions and wars, and accumulate power and money: for them the fallacious illusion of temporal well-being will one day if they do not repent yield to the terrible fate that awaits them, far from God, in eternal damnation.

            In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans. They seem to be so certain of already having everything under control that they have laid aside that circumspection that until now had at least partially concealed their true intentions. The investigations already under way will reveal the true responsibility of those who managed the Covid emergency not only in the area of health care but also in politics, the economy, and the media. We will probably find that in this colossal operation of social engineering there are people who have decided the fate of humanity, arrogating to themselves the right to act against the will of citizens and their representatives in the governments of nations.

            We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. It is quite clear that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state and who expresses those goals faithfully and with conviction. It will not be surprising if, in a few months, we learn once again that hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence there are those who hope to profit from the dissolution of the social order so as to build a world without freedom: Solve et Coagula, as the Masonic adage teaches.

            Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.

            For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

            For this reason, I believe that the attack to which you were subjected after your visit to the National Shrine of Saint John Paul II is part of the orchestrated media narrative which seeks not to fight racism and bring social order, but to aggravate dispositions; not to bring justice, but to legitimize violence and crime; not to serve the truth, but to favor one political faction. And it is disconcerting that there are Bishops such as those whom I recently denounced who, by their words, prove that they are aligned on the opposing side. They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches.

            The American people are mature and have now understood how much the mainstream media does not want to spread the truth but seeks to silence and distort it, spreading the lie that is useful for the purposes of their masters. However, it is important that the good who are the majority wake up from their sluggishness and do not accept being deceived by a minority of dishonest people with unavowable purposes. It is necessary that the good, the children of light, come together and make their voices heard. What more effective way is there to do this, Mr. President, than by prayer, asking the Lord to protect you, the United States, and all of humanity from this enormous attack of the Enemy? Before the power of prayer, the deceptions of the children of darkness will collapse, their plots will be revealed, their betrayal will be shown, their frightening power will end in nothing, brought to light and exposed for what it is: an infernal deception.

            Mr. President, my prayer is constantly turned to the beloved American nation, where I had the privilege and honor of being sent by Pope Benedict XVI as Apostolic Nuncio. In this dramatic and decisive hour for all of humanity, I am praying for you and also for all those who are at your side in the government of the United States. I trust that the American people are united with me and you in prayer to Almighty God.

            United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity, I bless you and the First Lady, the beloved American nation, and all men and women of good will.

+ Carlo Maria Vigan

Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana

Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America"
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: John Ch. 16,2 and Vaccines
« Last post by dymphnaw on Today at 03:42:38 PM »
If a vaccine could be made without fetal cell lines, was safe and effective, would you take it? I would.

I agree that the mentality of "you don't have a right to get others sick" is a troubling trend. It certainly didn't apply in the AIDS era. If they honestly feel that way, they should not own or DC rive a car because of the risk of an accident.

Nope. I prefer to  wait a few years and see the side effects. Doesn't anybody remember  DES or Zantac or Fen Fen or thalidomide?
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General Catholic Discussion / Re: Letter from +Vigano
« Last post by james03 on Today at 03:28:59 PM »
Imagine if this had been written by a Pope.  Now you know why it was the Pope that held back the anti Christ and why now anti Christ is here.  Only the Pope can stop this.

Thank you +Vigano for standing.
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Trump is nothing more than a Dem agent. They're getting EVERYTHING they want - immigration, PP funding, you name it...and most of us are sitting here going "no no, trust the plan!"

Spelled it wrong.
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