The Dark Meaning of John Paul I’s “Beatification”

[Goldfinch]

Food for thought.

The Dark Meaning of John Paul I's "Beatification"

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkOJDCvZzpY[/yt]

[awkward customer]

I watched the video.

Surely there have only been 6 Vatican II 'popes', which would mean there has to be one more after Bergoglio.

Having said that, the idea that Pagan Rome is the beast which 'was and is not and is yet to come' and is currently represented by the VII 'popes' is interesting to say the least.  It certainly seems to fit.

[Michael Wilson]

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

[Prayerful]

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

That tiara was a gift from the city of Milan and even Francis accepted a tiara albeit without wearing it. Roman emperors only took to wearing a crown of sorts from around the 3rd century with a sort of radiate crown, and there was no coronation, salute by soldiers and later the emperor would be raised on a shield. Kingship is as much about a reality as externals like crowns or other regalia. Some kings like I think in Norway are invested and there is no liturgical crowning like QE2 got. Judea and kings was confusing as Romans could tolerate various local kings, even in Judaea with Herod (Augustus said allegedly he'd prefer to be Herod's pig than his son) and those of his issue who managed not be murdered.

[awkward customer]

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

I don't understand.  Why does your second sentence follow on from your first?  I mean, why would Popes Pius XII and Pius XI be included just because Paul VI "deposed his crown"?

[Goldfinch]

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

That tiara was a gift from the city of Milan and even Francis accepted a tiara albeit without wearing it. Roman emperors only took to wearing a crown of sorts from around the 3rd century with a sort of radiate crown, and there was no coronation, salute by soldiers and later the emperor would be raised on a shield. Kingship is as much about a reality as externals like crowns or other regalia. Some kings like I think in Norway are invested and there is no liturgical crowning like QE2 got. Judea and kings was confusing as Romans could tolerate various local kings, even in Judaea with Herod (Augustus said allegedly he'd prefer to be Herod's pig than his son) and those of his issue who managed not be murdered.

The popes are temporal kings by virtue of being the heads of state of the Vatican, with or without the tiara.

[Michael Wilson]

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

I don't understand.  Why does your second sentence follow on from your first?  I mean, why would Popes Pius XII and Pius XI be included just because Paul VI "deposed his crown"?

Because even though English is my native language, I can hardly form a coherent sentence.
The first time I read about this "the beast of 8 heads was the Popes" (in the above monastery's publication), was when J.P. II was  reigning; which meant that if J.P. II was the "eight" Pope, then St. Pius X should have been the first! Whoever since that would through the whole theory out the door for any Catholic that had a lick of sense; the Bros. Declared that J.P. II was the 7th. Which would then make Benedict XVI, the 8th and Benedict XV the 'first'. However with the resignation of Benedict and the election of Francis; a "new" ordering is necessary, with Francis being the "8th" and BXV now "off the hook" or "off the head", as the case may be, Pius XI is now the "first". What will happen if Francis dies and a new Pope is elected?
On the Pope being a temporal ruler and king; O.K. I agree.

[Bonaventure]

Another problem with the thesis that the "Popes are kings", is that Paul VI deposed his crown, i.e. His Papal tiara, and he has been so far the last Pope to be crowned. Also going backwards, that would mean that Popes Pius XII & Pius XI (and before the election of Francis, Benedict XV), are also "heads of the beast".

That tiara was a gift from the city of Milan and even Francis accepted a tiara albeit without wearing it. Roman emperors only took to wearing a crown of sorts from around the 3rd century with a sort of radiate crown, and there was no coronation, salute by soldiers and later the emperor would be raised on a shield. Kingship is as much about a reality as externals like crowns or other regalia. Some kings like I think in Norway are invested and there is no liturgical crowning like QE2 got. Judea and kings was confusing as Romans could tolerate various local kings, even in Judaea with Herod (Augustus said allegedly he'd prefer to be Herod's pig than his son) and those of his issue who managed not be murdered.

The popes are temporal kings by virtue of being the heads of state of the Vatican, with or without the tiara.

João, they may be heads of state but they certainly do not view themselves as Kings (inaugurations, abandoning of the tiara, Niger in the arms, etc.)