Explaining Millineals

[james03]

I remember the event that launched my business.  It occurred at 2 a.m. in a construction trailer.  I was taking my dinner break with my buddy, who would later be my business partner.  We were discussing the fall of society from the lack of religion (he's a conservative prot), divorce, crap education, and daycare.  We then asked how we could make the most of it, and came to the conclusion that we needed to go into business for ourselves.  The answer was simple: in the future, there would be no competition, and any level of competence would be highly rewarded.

When women started warehousing their kids in strangercare, I always knew it would end badly.  I just didn't know exactly how.  Now we see it with the first truly strangercare generation.  The Millenials.  I believe that I am the first one to make this connection between their strange behavior and being abandoned by their mothers.

[Sockpuppet]

There is hope in another generation.

The post-milenial generation is is having sex, doing drugs, and failing at school at rates not seen since the 1950s. In many ways, they seem to be anti-milenial generation. Growing up in the post 9/11 world of the recession their a generation that has learned one thing: if you want something, go get it, because no one is going to give it to you. They're also attending churches at rates not seen since the 1950s.

Go talk to someone who is 15 or under and you'll be refreshed at how together they have it all...

...that is if they talk to you. Growing up with a smartphone in their hands they're also a very anti-social generation. They don't want to sneak out to parties. They want to stay in their rooms and experience the virtual world (that's their major flaw as a generation).

[Greg]

Explain this.

[Carleendiane]

I remember the event that launched my business.  It occurred at 2 a.m. in a construction trailer.  I was taking my dinner break with my buddy, who would later be my business partner.  We were discussing the fall of society from the lack of religion (he's a conservative prot), divorce, crap education, and daycare.  We then asked how we could make the most of it, and came to the conclusion that we needed to go into business for ourselves.  The answer was simple: in the future, there would be no competition, and any level of competence would be highly rewarded.

When women started warehousing their kids in strangercare, I always knew it would end badly.  I just didn't know exactly how.  Now we see it with the first truly strangercare generation.  The Millenials.  I believe that I am the first one to make this connection between their strange behavior and being abandoned by their mothers.

Not the first. But you are in good company James. This has been observed for a long time, just few have had the guts to point it out. These women that warehouse their kids think their quality time makes up for that. No, nothing makes up for the detachment demanded from these kids so mama can have a fulfilling life, separate from their offspring.

[Reader]

Explain this.

I can only say every generation has had its delusional element. It's just that previously, we weren't expected to take them seriously.

Despite her denial, this is clearly emotional neediness and attention seeking. She not only changed her race, but has done so in a manner that makes her a caricature.

[Quaremerepulisti]

Another of these feel-good "factoids" which enables everyone to evade the real problem, which is father absence. 

Yes, there's a small correlation between daycare and some outcome measures at early ages, although the direction of the correlation isn't inverse on everything, and correlation doesn't prove causation.

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/publications/pubs/documents/seccyd_06.pdf

However, it's not nearly a strong enough effect to explain how an entire generation is "messed up", and effects of daycare don't appear to persist longer-term.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2938040/

[Southern Ascetic]

It's a combination of many things:

Daycare, porn, videogames, bad schooling, lack of religion in the home, bad food, not getting enough recreational exercise, TV, movies, bad parenting, broken homes, drugs.

All those things are contributing factors.

[OCLittleFlower]

We can't forget the self esteem movement, child focused homes, and blatant indoctrination in the schools.  IF ONLY it was SIMPLY a poor quality education instead of outright indoctrination.

[james03]

Yes, there's a small correlation between daycare and some outcome measures at early ages, although the direction of the correlation isn't inverse on everything, and correlation doesn't prove causation.

Show me in the report where they study whether the boys were masculine?  You can't.

The government would consider this effect a feature, and not a problem.

But yes, the missing Dad is a huge problem, no argument.  Narrow the study to white intact families and check the result.  In fact, I would like to see a study of 2-parent normal families who warehouse their kids.  That would eliminate the missing father variable.

[OCLittleFlower]

Yeah, you would want to only study families that are fairly functional, otherwise.  Not families where daycare use is due to divorce, one parent dying, etc.

Daycare is terrible, but sometimes sadly needed for some families.  My grandma ended up in foster care (Monday-Friday) as a little girl because her mother died and her father couldn't afford a nanny and there was no daycare in the '20s.  He ended up marrying a sociopath (not knowing it) to be able to have hid kids back -- later, he divorced her because she abused his kids.  Both kids ended up with certain issues, for life, though my great uncle did better than my grandma did. 

[james03]

Quick check showed that only 16% of the kids in the study come from 2-parent families.   I know from my daily life kids growing up without a father suffer greatly.  I wonder if they "corrected" for that.  And what was their control population? 

Again, I don't deny that missing a Dad is a huge problem.  However these millineal SJWs are white.  My guess is that divorce is the second biggest risk factor behind daycare.  Then single mother upbringing (due to the demographic).

[Clare]

Millennials

[OCLittleFlower]

Quick check showed that only 16% of the kids in the study come from 2-parent families.   I know from my daily life kids growing up without a father suffer greatly.  I wonder if they "corrected" for that.  And what was their control population? 

Again, I don't deny that missing a Dad is a huge problem.  However these millineal SJWs are white.  My guess is that divorce is the second biggest risk factor behind daycare.  Then single mother upbringing (due to the demographic).

And sometimes dual income families use daycare.  I've known families with total incomes of $250k using daycare.  Beats me as to why -- I'd at least get a vetted and recommended nanny or au pair, but that's me.

[james03]

I noticed that the study did not report the MALP^(TM) score (Men Acting Like P***ies).  At first you think I'm joking, but I'm serious.  The people in the study, myself until recently, and Q. make the same mistake.  We assume that there are "social problems" in general.  For daycare trash, I always assumed they would be violent, etc.... Suppose it is the exact opposite?

In my life I've noticed that the male Millinaels are seriously risk adverse and require group consensus.  They are snowflakes.  Suppose this study considers this a feature, and not a bug?  Suppose you compare a white kids, two parents, warehoused in strangercare against me as the control group.  If snowflake behaviour is a feature, and not a bug, you would say warehousing children results in improved performance.

We know the sociopathy of single mother boys.  Look at the black community.  Suppose the sociopathy is the opposite vice for daycare trash?

For the sake of argument, let us assume that Eric Clanton, the bike lock attacker, was raised by two parents and warehoused as a kid.  He would have been considered "normal" or perhaps "exceptional" in the study.  His need to be in a collaborative environment would have served him well in the modern school.  He ended up with a PhD and was a professor.  And yet, underneath he is at war with his testosterone, so he is attracted to LARPing as a revolutionary, since it is relatively low risk.  So he joins ANTIFA and eventually escalates (enjoying the alignment with his testosterone).

Now this was a "sake of argument" example, Eric might have been raised by a heroin addicted prostitute.  But it illustrates the point I am trying to make.  I don't see violence as the main feature of Mellineales.  Instead I see MALPs^(TM).  And that will destroy society.

[Chestertonian]

strangercare...hmm.  Well it's often said that strangers are friends you haven't met yet.  But let's not pretend that there haven't always been women who felt that they had more important things to do than care for children.  Wealthy families have been hiring/enslaving lower class women to do childcare for centuries.  Group care is definitely a more modern form of it and it can be bad and it can be good.  There were some Reggio-Emilia / Montessori type places we looked at but either could not afford, or they would not take a child with medical issues.  When it comes to daycare, you get what you pay for.  The places that pay their employees a living wage tend to have a slower employee turnaround and the child has an opportunity to bond with their caregivers.  Many working parents feel more comfortable with group care because they feel that there is less of a chance their child will be abused there.  It's hard with a nanny or au pair, because there is no one to hold them accountable when you're not around.

I remember the days when we had to use a daycare center for our older son, or as you say, "daycare trash."  He was 4 months old and after a long night of interrupted sleep caring for others, my wife would put on her makeup (or as she calls it, "war paint."  She'd get us all into the minivan and we'd drop the little guy off at daycare and then she would bring me to "adult medical day care" the "warehouse" for grown ups.  It wasn't nearly as bad as it sounded.  Every time we got back in the minivan after dropping off our son, my wife would have a good cry.  The separation was harder on her than it was for him.  In fact, many days he happily went off to climb on the jungle gym or listen to a story, but she always felt incredibly guilty about having to leave our boys in someone else's care.

It was during that time that she became very close to St. Therese and her parents who were not saint at the time,  For all we know they may not be saints now, depending on the validity of Francis Church canonizations.  St. Zelie ran a business and it seems like it was a pretty active one.  She also had to hire a wet nurse because she could not nurse her children and so she had to suffer long periods of isolation from her babies.  Many ladies in St. Zelie's time hired these nursemaids to avoid the inconvenience of newborn care, but Zelie's heart was always with her children even if she wasn't physically present with them.  I believe some of her children died due to neglect/abuse at the hands of a wet nurse.  compared to that, going to a daycare center 8am-6pm isn't so bad.  But what do I know, I'm a milllennial   It's a consolation to me that children can be very resilient.  We don't want to intentionally put children into adverse situations, but when adversity happens i'm always in awe of the resilience and "grit" I see in my children. 

As for quality time vs quantity, children need both.  My mother stayed home with us, but she was normally doing other things besies spending time with u.  The dishes, laundry, talking on the phone, most of the day she was occupied by these daily tasks and not occupied with us.  And this is not a criticism--these were all things that needed to be done.  But how many times a day do children hear "Hold on a second, I'm in the middle of something."  We often like to go on and on about young people and their phones but most of us are just as addicted.  Children are going to thrive best when they get face time with both of their parents, as well as any other caregiver.  You can't give the gift of listening and understanding all the day long but if I had to choose between 30 minutes of 1-1 interaction where you're fully present and available with that child, and 10 hours of "Hold on, I'm sending your Daddy a text messge"  I'd choose quality over quantity.  Those small amounts of intimacy between parent and child go a long way even if you're working llong hours / supervising 8 other children / or living in a nursing home the rest of the time.  Quantity time is great too but we all have to make the most of the time we get.  st Louis and st zelie are wonderful examples of this