Ex-SSPX Priest: "We Must Have Logical Position on Pope!"

[FatherCekada]

Ex-SSPX Priest:
"We Must Have Logical Position on Pope!"

Fr. Arnold Trauner on a new
association of German-speaking priests.

Listen to sermon here:
http://www.sgg.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/141102.mp3

In a sermon at St. Gertrude the Great Church, West Chester, Ohio on Sunday, November 2, 2014, Fr. Arnold Trauner, spoke to the congregation about how he and several other SSPX priests had recently studied the Society's position on the post-Conciliar popes and concluded that it could not be reconciled with Catholic teaching.

The four priests, one Austrian and three German, left the Society and began a new apostolate in southern Germany, Austria and Hungary. They have two convents of religious sisters associated with them, one Carmelite and the other Benedictine, and a seminarian studying at our seminary, Most Holy Trinity, in Brooksville, Florida.

Their new web site is Antimodernist.org:

http://www.antimodernist.org/am/

Non-German speakers can access an instantaneous English translation of the articles if they use Google Chrome.

[awkwardcustomer]

This is good news.  But is it too late?

As a convert of 20 years, I have found the lack of logic among Traditionalists regarding the Council and the Conciliar popes to be just as exhausting as the antics of the Conciliarists.  Fr Trauner spoke of "ready-made thinking" or words to that effect, and of how difficult it is to break free of it.  I can definitely attest to this.

The rewards of doing so are great, because Sedevacantism is so beautifully clear and simple.  It becomes obvious once the ready made thoughts are discarded, a difficult process but well worth it for the peace of mind it brings.  But Fr Tauner also spoke of Truth as a "double edged sword".  So here's my problem.

What if Vatican II is the "revolt" that St Paul warns about in 2Thessalonians?  What if the Pope is the "one who holds" who has to be "taken out of the way"?  If that's the case, then it's all over because next on the agenda is the rise of the Antichrist.  All power to Fr Trauner and his fellow priests for their efforts, and to all those who hold to the beautiful Truths of the Catholic Faith and their peace-bringing logic.

So I fear it is too late. But don't stop speaking the beautiful Truth.  It's all that's left, until Christ comes.

   

[Mysterium Fidei]

Ex-SSPX Priest:
"We Must Have Logical Position on Pope!"

Fr. Arnold Trauner on a new
association of German-speaking priests.

Listen to sermon here:
http://www.sgg.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/141102.mp3

In a sermon at St. Gertrude the Great Church, West Chester, Ohio on Sunday, November 2, 2014, Fr. Arnold Trauner, spoke to the congregation about how he and several other SSPX priests had recently studied the Society's position on the post-Conciliar popes and concluded that it could not be reconciled with Catholic teaching.

The four priests, one Austrian and three German, left the Society and began a new apostolate in southern Germany, Austria and Hungary. They have two convents of religious sisters associated with them, one Carmelite and the other Benedictine, and a seminarian studying at our seminary, Most Holy Trinity, in Brooksville, Florida.

Their new web site is Antimodernist.org:

http://www.antimodernist.org/am/

Non-German speakers can access an instantaneous English translation of the articles if they use Google Chrome.

This was a good sermon Father. Thank God the stranglehold that the SSPX has in Europe is beginning to be broken. Bishop Sanborn spoke, in the first MHT podcast, of one day having a seminary in Germany. That would be a wonderful thing.

[Kaesekopf]

Took him twenty years to figure this out?

Interesting.

How large are the convents? 

[Rose]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

[Lynne]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

Well, yes.

[Mysterium Fidei]

Took him twenty years to figure this out?

Interesting.

How large are the convents?

Did you listen to the sermon? Fr. Trauner was in Africa for most of his priesthood. He did not really begin to question the position of the Society until he had to return to Germany because of his health. Probably like a lot of people the "canonizations" and the "Pontificate" of Francis has become too much to reconcile.

It was not my intent to denigrate the SSPX by saying they have a stranglehold, but it is just a fact that until recently there has been no other options for those in Germany who hold the Sedevacantist opinion.

I don't know how many sisters are in the convents. I think Fr. Trauner is going to be in the states for a while longer. If you are interested in the number of sisters in the convents or what took him so long to come to his conclusions, maybe you could contact SGG and ask him yourself.

[VeraeFidei]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

You have some reading to do about the traditionalist movement, ma'am. The SSPX did not even exist until the early 70's; I daresay others were preserving Tradition before then.

[FatherCekada]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

Uh, not exactly.

In Germany, Fr. Schmidberger had a policy of threatening to destroy independent Mass centers unless they turned their operations over to the Society.

[JuniorCouncilor]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

Uh, not exactly.

In Germany, Fr. Schmidberger had a policy of threatening to destroy independent Mass centers unless they turned their operations over to the Society.

Um, just how was he supposedly going to do that?

[Greg]

SV ism would be my top choice if intellect didn't conflict with reality.  Problem is, it is pretty much dead in the UK.

I tried one "chapel" for a few weeks but found that the SV priest had a youTube favourite for a gay porn video.  Reported it, assuming he had clicked it by 'mistake' and got a reply from his superior that it was "probably their enemies trying to frame them".

The link is still in the priest's YouTube favourites.  So either they are the stupidest people in the world or they don't care.

Faced with a choice of this or no choice at all, I can't see SVism being a viable option for 99 percent of Trads.  It simply cannot cover the bases and feed the lambs and sheep.

Home alone-ism is more viable for most people.

[FatherCekada]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

Uh, not exactly.

In Germany, Fr. Schmidberger had a policy of threatening to destroy independent Mass centers unless they turned their operations over to the Society.

Um, just how was he supposedly going to do that?

Bankrolling rival chapels and following an aggressive program of luring away parishioners from independent priests.

Ve haff our vays of making you collaborate vit ze Bruderschaft's Reich...

[Older Salt]

The SSPX had a "stranglehold" in Europe because we (Archbishop Lefevre etc) were the only ones who bloody well did anything to preserve Tradition in the first place.

Uh, not exactly.

In Germany, Fr. Schmidberger had a policy of threatening to destroy independent Mass centers unless they turned their operations over to the Society.

Um, just how was he supposedly going to do that?

Bankrolling rival chapels and following an aggressive program of luring away parishioners from independent priests.

Ve haff our vays of making you collaborate vit ze Bruderschaft's Reich...

Under who's canonical authority could Fr Schmidberger do that?

[FatherCekada]

Under who's canonical authority could Fr Schmidberger do that?

A little problem, that!

Perhaps supplied jurisdiction under the principle, "Only force rules. Force is the first law." 

[james03]

Father,
What is your opinion on the possibility of the SSPX declaring Francis an heretic?

I've noticed a lot of "for now" in +Fellay's statements, e.g. "For now, we are giving him the benefit of the doubt.  (note: paraphrasing, but his talks are rife with such statements).  He even called Francis a modernist, albeit he walked it back some in a subsequent speech.

You think they eventually go sede?