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Offline BigMelvin

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Thomism and the Genetic Code
« on: October 30, 2014, 03:46:58 PM »
Do materialists normally claim that the genetic code accounts for the organization of matter into species (and into individuals)? If so how do Thomist scientists treat this in relation to hylemorphism and the substantial form being the organizing principle?
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Re: Thomism and the Genetic Code
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2014, 05:12:21 PM »
I'm not a biologist, nor a materialist, and I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but I'll give it a shot:

A species, from a biological perspective, is the largest group of related organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring amongst themselves. The requirement to interbreed is only possible by individuals with a certain level of genetic differences (I believe the members of most species differ from another individual of the same species by something like 0.3%).
 

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Re: Thomism and the Genetic Code
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2014, 05:27:20 PM »
I don't think materialists are entitled to talk about species at all, if they are being logically consistent. Species is based on form, which is an immaterial principle, which materialists obviously cannot accept.

Mind you, I don't think materialists are entitled to talk about anything at all, if they are being logically consistent. Intellectual cognition by its very nature must be immaterial
 

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Re: Thomism and the Genetic Code
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2014, 05:15:43 AM »
I don't think materialists are entitled to talk about species at all, if they are being logically consistent. Species is based on form, which is an immaterial principle, which materialists obviously cannot accept.

Mind you, I don't think materialists are entitled to talk about anything at all, if they are being logically consistent. Intellectual cognition by its very nature must be immaterial

Yes this is what I am getting at. So is it  that materialists use the genetic code to account for the organization of matter in a specific (sic) way (a dog a cat a human a plant, etc), whereas philosophical realists say that the form must account for this organization? So I guess a clearer way to posit the question might have been 'where does the genetic code fit into Thomistic realism and hylemorphism?'
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Re: Thomism and the Genetic Code
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 01:38:21 PM »
I don't know for certain, but perhaps the answer is that genetic code is the material that biologically programs an individual to take on the form of the species.

Perhaps it could be said that, in the order of efficient causality, form precedes code, but, in the order of material causality, code precedes form.
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