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Christian Muslim Marriages
« on: December 27, 2012, 03:35:54 AM »
The Christian Muslim forum, an organization cochaired by Ausialary Bishop Paul Hendricks of Southwark, has published guidelines on Christian Muslim marriages.

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 03:40:53 AM »
Here is what the 1958 Penny Catechism says about mixed marriages. This is the teaching of the Church.

Q. Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
A. The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    
Q. Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
A. The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 03:47:29 AM »
Here is what the 1958 Penny Catechism says about mixed marriages. This is the teaching of the Church.

Q. Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
A. The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    
Q. Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
A. The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
There would have to be a dispensation. But now the Church has issued guidelines under which the dispensation would be granted and also is looking for an understanding with the Muslims as to how the family life would be lived under this type of arrangement. The question is; will they follow through with what they promise?   
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 12:15:05 AM »
I went looking for the Muslim belief regarding intermarriage and found this:

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It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man.

It is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a Christian/Jewish woman strictly under these two conditions:

She is a true Christian/Jew – not by name and/or ancestral background.
She did not renegade from Islam and become a Christian/Jew.
NB. Due to some threatening factors, it is discouraged to marry a Christian/Jewish woman. It is perhaps for these factors that Hadhrat Úmar (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) stopped Muslims during his reign of power to marry Christian/Jewish women.

If there is a difference in religion after marriage then four possibilities may arise.

Both spouses were non-Muslims and both simultaneously accepted Islam.
Both were Muslims and both simultaneously became Murtads (renegade from Islam).
In the above two situations the Nikah remains intact.

One becomes a Muslim and the other remains a non-Muslim. This situation is of two types.
The husband accepts Islam and the woman remains a non-Muslim. If the woman is an Ahlul-Kitaab (Christian or Jew as described above) then the Nikah is intact but if she follows some other faith then in an Islamic state the following procedure will be adopted:

The Qaadhi will invite her to Islam: if she accepts then the Nikah will be intact, but if she refuses or maintains silence then the Qaadhi will annul the marriage. If this situation occurs in a non-Islamic State then upon the woman spending three menstrual cycles, the Nikah will be instantly annulled.

The wife accepts Islam and the husband remains a non-Muslim.
If it is in an Islamic State the Qaadhi will invite him to Islam. If he accepts then the Nikah will remain. If he rejects or maintains silence then the Qaadhi will effect a separation. In a non-Islamic State the woman will be divorced upon three menstrual cycles. The woman will then have to observe another three menstrual cycles on observing Iddat.

In the situation where one of the spouses renegades. This is of two types.

If the husband renegades then the marriage is instantly annulled.

If the wife renegades then - according to the preferred opinion - this does not effect the Nikah. She will still be his wife. However, until she does not accept Islam the husband cannot cohabit with her.

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 01:10:55 AM »
What's the deal with the menstrual cycles? Why can't they just make it a standard 6-month waiting period for all women regardless of how short or long their cycles are?
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 01:43:26 AM »
What's the deal with the menstrual cycles? Why can't they just make it a standard 6-month waiting period for all women regardless of how short or long their cycles are?

Maybe they are just assuming that all menstrual cycles last the same amount of time?
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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 02:19:57 AM »
The idea is to make sure that she isn't pregnant. Though why they wait three and not just one, I couldn't really tell you.
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 10:01:41 AM »
Here is what the 1958 Penny Catechism says about mixed marriages. This is the teaching of the Church.

Q. Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
A. The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    
Q. Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
A. The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
There would have to be a dispensation. But now the Church has issued guidelines under which the dispensation would be granted and also is looking for an understanding with the Muslims as to how the family life would be lived under this type of arrangement. The question is; will they follow through with what they promise?

I have met an excess of people involved in mixed marriaged...all who received dispensations. Some of the marriages work out....the majority don't. What makes me batty is wondering WHO APPROVES THEM????
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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 12:30:54 AM »
What's the deal with the menstrual cycles? Why can't they just make it a standard 6-month waiting period for all women regardless of how short or long their cycles are?
They take that from the Jewish law
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2012, 12:32:04 AM »
Here is what the 1958 Penny Catechism says about mixed marriages. This is the teaching of the Church.

Q. Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
A. The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    
Q. Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
A. The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
There would have to be a dispensation. But now the Church has issued guidelines under which the dispensation would be granted and also is looking for an understanding with the Muslims as to how the family life would be lived under this type of arrangement. The question is; will they follow through with what they promise?

I have met an excess of people involved in mixed marriaged...all who received dispensations. Some of the marriages work out....the majority don't. What makes me batty is wondering WHO APPROVES THEM????
It's an issue of two people "falling in love" and wanting to be married.
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2012, 12:50:52 AM »
Here is what the 1958 Penny Catechism says about mixed marriages. This is the teaching of the Church.

Q. Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
A. The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    
Q. Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
A. The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
There would have to be a dispensation. But now the Church has issued guidelines under which the dispensation would be granted and also is looking for an understanding with the Muslims as to how the family life would be lived under this type of arrangement. The question is; will they follow through with what they promise?

I have met an excess of people involved in mixed marriaged...all who received dispensations. Some of the marriages work out....the majority don't. What makes me batty is wondering WHO APPROVES THEM????
It's an issue of two people "falling in love" and wanting to be married.

The same mistake as the star crossed lovers of Verona?
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2013, 03:22:48 PM »
I could see it working out with lukewarm Muslims or Muslims that have reservations with traditional Muslim teachings. I'm thinking of people like Cat Stevens who break certain teachings(I'm told he's not allowed to play music by his sect of Islam, but he does anyway).
 

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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2013, 03:24:25 PM »
Here is what the 1958 Penny Catechism says about mixed marriages. This is the teaching of the Church.

Q. Has the Church always forbidden mixed marriages?
A. The Church has always forbidden mixed marriages and considers them unlawful and pernicious.
    
Q. Does the Church sometimes permit mixed marriages?
A. The Church sometimes permits mixed marriages granting a dispensation, for very grave reasons and under special conditions.
There would have to be a dispensation. But now the Church has issued guidelines under which the dispensation would be granted and also is looking for an understanding with the Muslims as to how the family life would be lived under this type of arrangement. The question is; will they follow through with what they promise?

I have met an excess of people involved in mixed marriaged...all who received dispensations. Some of the marriages work out....the majority don't. What makes me batty is wondering WHO APPROVES THEM????
It's an issue of two people "falling in love" and wanting to be married.

The same mistake as the star crossed lovers of Verona?

At least they were both Catholic!
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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2013, 07:08:04 AM »
Muslim women can only marry Muslim men, something many in the West don't know about. A Christian man who sadly happens to fall in love with a Muslim woman can only get involved with her and marry her if he converts to the sect of Mohammed.

A Christian woman that has the unfortunate idea of falling in love with a Muslim man, will not have to forsake her religion in order to marry him, but their offspring will have to be raised under the yoke of Islam.

This, of course, assuming that the Muslim party and his (or her) family take Islam seriously.
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Re: Christian Muslim Marriages
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2013, 05:26:29 AM »
Muslim women can only marry Muslim men, something many in the West don't know about. A Christian man who sadly happens to fall in love with a Muslim woman can only get involved with her and marry her if he converts to the sect of Mohammed.
That is a possibility if they marry outside the Islamic world.