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The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« on: January 17, 2013, 10:21:08 PM »
From Rorate Caeli's posting about a history channel piece on St Patrick's
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/01/saint-patricks-cathedral-in-new-york.html

The old altar we always hear about from St Patrick's but no photos are ever available of. I'll admit the freestanding altar (ad orientem one) fits the gothic arrangement better, but this was still a beautiful altar.

Spellman altar in the back. It is said Fordham University got the old high altar. However, the reredos in the old photo is no longer with it. Just the altar itself with a different reredos.

The altar without the old reredos
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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 10:23:03 PM »
The old altar is lovely, yes, but it doesn't much fit the architecture of the church, now does it?
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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 10:26:54 PM »
The old altar is lovely, yes, but it doesn't much fit the architecture of the church, now does it?
No. Still would have looked better if the whole thing was moved elsewhere. I know quite a few places that you could have put it.
 

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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 10:30:15 PM »
Oh, indeed.  Retaining the altar in its entirety would have been lovely had it gone somewhere else.

That said, Fordham seems to have done a good job accommodating it.
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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 10:32:45 PM »
Oh, indeed.  Retaining the altar in its entirety would have been lovely had it gone somewhere else.

That said, Fordham seems to have done a good job accommodating it.
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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 11:08:49 PM »
Very nice. I highly prefer the baldachin, though. A cathedral of this scope ought to have a freestanding altar under a fixed canopy.
 

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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2013, 11:18:58 PM »
I agree. I actually like the new Altar better.
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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2013, 12:39:07 PM »
A grander baldachin, I think, would better fit St. Patrick's Cathedral, though. 

Seems too small.
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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2013, 02:33:59 PM »
Very nice. I highly prefer the baldachin, though. A cathedral of this scope ought to have a freestanding altar under a fixed canopy.

Don't all altars have to have some kind of baldachin or canopy?
 

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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2013, 11:01:28 PM »
Don't all altars have to have some kind of baldachin or canopy?

Yes, high altars ought to. They also ought to be freestanding so that the bishop may walk around the entire structure when consecrating it for its first use. These sorts of rules were frequently ignored even in the pre-conciliar era, though.
 

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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2013, 11:08:43 PM »
The freestanding part applies only to cathedrals, right? Not ordinary parishes?
 

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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2013, 11:13:42 PM »
The freestanding part applies only to cathedrals, right? Not ordinary parishes?

No distinction between the two.

Quote from: Catholic Encyclopedia, Altar (in liturgy)
From the words of the Pontifical we infer that the high altar must stand free on all sides (Pontifex circuit septies tabulam altaris), but the back part of smaller altars may be built against the wall.

Quote from: Catholic Encyclopedia, High Altar
The high altar in a church that is to be consecrated should be a fixed altar (see FORM OF THE ALTAR), which according to the prescriptions of the Roman Pontifical (h.l.) is itself to be consecrated simultaneously with the solemn dedication of the church edifice. Hence it must stand free on all sides, allowing ample room for the consecrator to move around it. As its name indicates, the high altar, being the chief place for the enactment of the sacrificial function, is to be prominent not only by its position but also by the richness of its material and ornamentation.
 

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Re: The old high altar of St Patrick cathedral
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 11:19:18 PM »
Interesting. I'll have to look into this further.