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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2018, 12:40:04 AM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.
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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2018, 05:23:27 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

No they haven’t, they aren’t sold, and you’re clearly a Protty who has a false understanding of what they are.
 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 07:23:40 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.
 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 07:29:47 PM »
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2018, 07:45:04 PM »
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

(in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.
 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2018, 08:25:24 PM »
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

(in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.


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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2018, 04:18:55 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2018, 02:06:38 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.

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