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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2018, 12:40:04 AM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.
 
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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2018, 05:23:27 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

No they haven’t, they aren’t sold, and you’re clearly a Protty who has a false understanding of what they are.
 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 07:23:40 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.
 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 07:29:47 PM »
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2018, 07:45:04 PM »
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

(in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.
 

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2018, 08:25:24 PM »
It costs nothing to pray indulgenced prayers or otherwise do indulgenced acts.

You're a moronic troll.

(in the Roman Catholic Church) a grant by the Pope of remission of the temporal punishment in purgatory still due for sins after absolution. The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle Ages.


https://www.catholic.com/tract/myths-about-indulgences
ETA: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07783a.htm
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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2018, 04:18:55 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.

Banned.
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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2018, 02:06:38 PM »
Indulgences have been long deemed sinful.
You cannot "pay" to have your sins removed quicker.
Come on guys, lets be better.

You need catechesis on indulgences, badly.

1) An indulgence is not the removal of sin. That is known as forgiveness and takes place within the confessional or with perfect contrition (for mortal sins); for venial sins it can take place in the same manner, or through prayers and pious acts (Our Father, crossing oneself devoutly with holy water, receiving Holy Communion, etc.). A person in/with mortal sin cannot gain an indulgence.

2) Though a sin may be forgiven, it still merits a temporal punishment

3) Temporal punishment can be remitted via works of charity (broadly speaking); the treasury of these spiritual gifts come from the merits of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, and the Saints who made satisfaction beyond their own debt. Because the Blessed Virgin Mary was sinless, and spent every moment of her life on earth gaining merits, we are especially indebted to her over all creatures for the gift of indulgences written in the blood, sweat, and tears of her prayers and good works -- themselves made possible in the foreknowledge of God of her merits in light of the Cross and as begun at her Immaculate Conception. To put it simply, our good works/prayers are actually from Christ, primarily. Having done them, we become closer to Him, and thus less like "ourselves" -- the condition of our fallen nature which precipitated the sins to begin with.

Sure they are.
Why do only Catholics who are well of recieve them?
Jesus never sold indulgences to the highest bidder an neither should we.

Banned.

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Re: Plenary Indulgence Reminders for First Week in November
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2020, 03:17:22 PM »
We have like 9 more days of this concession of the Holy See to, if we haven't already, gain indulgences for the Poor Souls.

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2020/10/23/0545/01264.html
A Google Translate of the text, because I do not Italian.

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DECREE

This year, in the current contingencies due to the "covid-19" pandemic,
the plenary indulgences for the deceased faithful will be extended for the whole month of November,
with adaptation of the works and conditions to ensure the safety of the faithful.

This Apostolic Penitentiary received not a few pleas from Sacred Shepherds who asked that this year, due to the "covid-19" epidemic, the pious works be commuted to achieve the plenary indulgences applicable to the souls in Purgatory, in accordance with of the Manual of Indulgences (conc. 29, § 1). For this reason the Apostolic Penitentiary, on the special mandate of His Holiness Pope Francis, willingly establishes and decides that this year, to avoid gatherings where they were prohibited:

a.- the plenary indulgence for those who visit a cemetery and pray for the dead even if only mentally, normally established only on the individual days from 1 to 8 November, can be transferred to other days of the same month until its end. These days, freely chosen by the individual faithful, can also be separated from each other;

b- the plenary indulgence of November 2, established on the occasion of the commemoration of all the faithful departed for those who piously visit a church or an oratory and recite the "Our Father" and the "Creed" there, can be transferred not only to Sunday preceding or following or on the day of the solemnity of All Saints, but also on another day of the month of November, at the free choice of the individual faithful.

The elderly, the sick and all those who for serious reasons cannot leave the house, for example due to restrictions imposed by the competent authority for the time of a pandemic, in order to prevent numerous faithful crowding into the sacred places, will be able to achieve the Plenary indulgence provided that, spiritually uniting with all the other faithful, completely detached from sin and with the intention of complying as soon as possible with the three usual conditions (sacramental confession, Eucharistic communion and prayer according to the intentions of the Holy Father), in front of an image of Jesus or of the Blessed Virgin Mary, recite pious prayers for the dead, for example Lauds and Vespers of the Office of the Dead, the Marian Rosary, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, other prayers for the dead dear to the faithful,or entertain themselves in the meditated reading of one of the Gospel passages proposed by the liturgy of the dead, or carry out a work of mercy by offering God the pains and hardships of their lives.

For an easier attainment of divine grace through pastoral charity, this penitentiary earnestly prays that all priests endowed with the appropriate faculties, offer themselves with particular generosity to the celebration of the sacrament of Penance and administer Holy Communion to the sick.

However, as regards the spiritual conditions for fully achieving the Indulgence, we remind you to refer to the indications already issued in the note "Regarding the Sacrament of Penance in the current pandemic situation", issued by this Apostolic Penitentiary on March 19, 2020.

Finally, since the souls in Purgatory are helped by the suffrages of the faithful and especially with the sacrifice of the Altar pleasing to God (cf. Conc. Tr. Sess. XXV, decr. De Purgatorio), all priests are warmly invited to celebrate three times the Holy Mass on the day of the commemoration of all the faithful departed, in accordance with the Apostolic Constitution "Incruentum Altaris", issued by Pope Benedict XV, of venerable memory, on 10 August 1915.

This Decree is valid for the whole month of November. Notwithstanding any provision to the contrary.

Given in Rome, from the headquarters of the Apostolic Penitentiary, on 22 October 2020, in memory of Saint John Paul II.
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