Started by Mono no aware, November 15, 2022, 11:33:59 AM
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QuoteRussia's defence ministry on Tuesday denied reports that Russian missiles had hit Polish territory, describing them as "a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation".It added in a statement: "No strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border were made by Russian means of destruction."Wreckage reportedly found at the scene "has nothing to do with Russian weapons," it said.
QuoteNATO is looking at further expanding its presence in Eastern Europe with more permanent positions being considered in the Baltic countries, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said Monday."We're continuing to do that now including with the deployment of additional forces, including American forces here to Lithuania, F-35 fighters, various pieces of important equipment, all of which is being deployed here (and) deployed to the other states in the Baltics," Blinken said at a news conference in the Lithuanian capital city Vilnius.Speaking alongside Lithuanian Foreign Minister Garbrielius Landsbergis, Blinken continued: "At the same time, we're continuously reviewing within NATO our defense posture, including looking at questions of extending the deployment of forces, looking at questions of more permanent deployments.He reiterated the US and allies' commitment to NATO's Article 5, which deems an attack on one country is an attack on all."If there is any aggression anywhere, on NATO territory on NATO countries, we the United States, all of our allies and partners will take action to defend every inch of NATO territory. It's as clear and direct as that," he said.
QuoteA missile that hit Poland on Tuesday was most likely Ukrainian and was not an "intentional attack", the president of Poland said. President Andrzej Duda described the incident as most likely an unfortunate accident, adding that despite this the ultimate responsibility lies with Russia, which launched a barrage of missile attacks on Ukraine on Tuesday.
QuoteUkrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday called the death of two people in Poland from Russian missiles a "really significant escalation" of the war between Kyiv and Moscow. "Hitting NATO territory with missiles. ... This is a Russian missile attack on collective security! This is a really significant escalation. Action is needed," Zelensky said in a video address Tuesday.
QuotePresident Volodymyr Zelensky has said he had "no doubts" that Ukraine was not to blame for the missile strike that killed two people in Poland on Tuesday.Mr Zelensky said he had received assurances from his top commanders that "it wasn't our missile".He also called for Ukrainian officials to be allowed to access the blast site and to be part of the investigation.His comments came as Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said Kyiv's air defence missiles were "most likely" to blame.US President Joe Biden also cast doubt on Mr Zelensky's statement that the missile was not of Ukrainian origin, telling reporters "that's not the evidence".
Quote from: Xavier on November 17, 2022, 06:47:33 AMUkraine didn't goad Russia into invading.
Quote from: Xavier on November 17, 2022, 06:47:33 AMPutin invaded because he denied Ukraine its own historical and independent identity.
Quote from: Xavier on November 17, 2022, 07:15:23 AMI'll watch the video, but I'm not impressed with the title out off the gate. It'll probably be more about liberal appeasement than anything else. If we don't appease Putin, he'll continue his Nuclear Terrorism, ergo we should appease him. Yeah, that's a non sequitur.
Quote from: Pon de Replay on November 17, 2022, 06:44:59 AMWhile Western leaders are conceding that missile was Ukranian, they nonetheless insist that the incident was Russia's fault for firing on Ukraine in the first place. Well, then who goaded Russia into this conflict? At some point, if you're looking for someone to blame, you're going to end up all the way back at an Uncaused Cause.
Quote from: Melkite on November 18, 2022, 05:14:12 AMIf a pipsqueak throws barbs at a bigger kid, and the barbs don't really have any chance of hurting the bigger kid, whose fault is it when the bigger kid body slams the pipsqueak?The bigger kid has a greater responsibility of moderation and prudence. The pipsqueak might be a jerk, but that doesn't justify just any degree of retaliation. Not fair to the big kid? Sure, life's not fair. Time to cry me a river, puss (the big kid, not you specifically).
QuoteAs the war in Ukraine shows little sign of abating, Kyiv's Western partners are grappling with how to maintain a supply of arms and ammunition to Ukraine, which have proven decisive on the battlefield, without letting their stockpiles dwindle to the point that it could jeopardize their own readiness levels."I think everyone is now sufficiently worried,'" said a NATO official who spoke on condition of anonymity, adding that allies had called on Western defense contractors to ramp up production in the wake of the war. "The relevance of stockpiling is back."NATO is now discussing how to support members if their stockpiles fall below the levels needed to meet their defense obligations under the North Atlantic Treaty, the official said. Although decisions around military aid to Ukraine fall to individual members of the alliance, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has repeatedly spoken out about the need for continued assistance to Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin made several "strategic mistakes" ahead of the invasion, including "underestimat[ing] NATO allies [and] partners in our commitment to support Ukraine," Stoltenberg said in remarks on Monday.But back in Washington, some former officials are wishing that the Biden administration and NATO allies had gotten the message sooner, and they want defense spending, which has boomed since Russia's full-scale invasion, to continue to spike for the foreseeable future. "Even if there wasn't the Ukrainian fight, our stockpiles are still too low," said Jeb Nadaner, a former U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for industrial policy during the Trump administration. "You don't have to invent the weapons of the 22nd century to do this, but the industry will need a stable demand signal."