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Re: Forum improvements?
« Reply #75 on: December 25, 2019, 01:32:28 PM »
Spinach is toxic.

Raw, yes. It's okay when cooked, though?

Boiling spinach, a lot, and discarding the water afterwards, will get rid of some of the toxic oxalates that spinach is loaded with.  So a tiny bit of boiled spinach now and then probably won't cause too much harm.  Of course this depends on how much other high oxalate foods you're eating.  It's the daily accumulation of toxins that eventually poisons.

Many of the foods touted as healthy by governments agencies and medical professionals contain high levels of antinutrients of which oxalates are just one type.  Low oxalate vegetables like cabbage are an alternative, although cabbage is high in goitrogens which attack the thyroid.  So it's swings and roundabouts really.

Sigh... I can see now why some like the carnivore diet...
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Re: Forum improvements?
« Reply #76 on: December 25, 2019, 02:11:37 PM »
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Re: Forum improvements?
« Reply #77 on: January 01, 2020, 05:23:49 PM »
Spinach is toxic.

Raw, yes. It's okay when cooked, though?

Boiling spinach, a lot, and discarding the water afterwards, will get rid of some of the toxic oxalates that spinach is loaded with.  So a tiny bit of boiled spinach now and then probably won't cause too much harm.  Of course this depends on how much other high oxalate foods you're eating.  It's the daily accumulation of toxins that eventually poisons.

Many of the foods touted as healthy by governments agencies and medical professionals contain high levels of antinutrients of which oxalates are just one type.  Low oxalate vegetables like cabbage are an alternative, although cabbage is high in goitrogens which attack the thyroid.  So it's swings and roundabouts really.

Sigh... I can see now why some like the carnivore diet...

This is obviously not really the thread but...spinach is loaded with chlorophyll which is wonderful for your heart. It reduces/eliminates plaque, etc. However, it can contribute to kidney stone formation and it sucks iodine out of your body which can then cause thyroid issues. In order to combat this you can drink a ton of water to safeguard your kidneys, and take iodine supplements. This thing with ALL food, is that it will be good for some things, and not so great for others depending on your body.
 
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Re: Forum improvements?
« Reply #78 on: January 02, 2020, 08:33:40 PM »
This is obviously not really the thread but...spinach is loaded with chlorophyll which is wonderful for your heart. It reduces/eliminates plaque, etc. However, it can contribute to kidney stone formation and it sucks iodine out of your body which can then cause thyroid issues. In order to combat this you can drink a ton of water to safeguard your kidneys, and take iodine supplements. This thing with ALL food, is that it will be good for some things, and not so great for others depending on your body.

It isn't, but I can't resist adding to the thread that isn't the thread, given the damage that high oxalate foods like spinach can cause.  Besides, all green vegetables contain chlorophyll and some are low in oxalates.

It's the oxalic acid in spinach and the oxalates it forms which are so damaging to the body.  Spinach is particularly high in these toxins and a serving of raw spinach contains 750 mg of oxalates which is phenomenally high.  Beet greens are almost as bad as are almonds, raspberries and lots of other 'healthy foods'.

Oxalic acid doesn't just rob the body of iodine.  Plants contain oxalic acid because it binds so readily to minerals like calcium, potassium, iron, zinc etc and pulls them out of the soil forming oxalates which the plant stores as nutrients. So when you eat spinach, the oxalic acid literally pulls these minerals out of your body and forms oxalates.  Calcium oxalate is the big baddie here because it forms insoluble crystals which the body has to get rid of via the kidneys.  If your intake of high oxalate food is too much, this can lead to calcium oxalate crystals - hence kidney stones.

But oxalates, particularly calcium oxalate crystals can do far more damage than causing kidney stones.  Too much build up from too many high oxalate foods and the body will store calcium oxalate crystals just about everywhere, in the brain, in the eyes, in the thyroid, in heart muscle, in breast tissue, in the joints, bones and teeth.

My own problems with oxalates were caused through diet, basically.  Train loads of 'healthy' foods even for decades, including lots of spinach and other greens, berries, nuts, wholegrains brought me to my knees earlier this year.  Since April, when I went low oxalate by eliminating such foods from my diet, I've had unbelievable evidence of massive oxalate dumping.

I stopped counting after around 300 hundred, off-white, hard as glass 'bits' came out of my eyes.  That was about a month ago and they're still coming.  According to nutritionist campaigner Sally K Norton, this can happen as calcium oxalate stored in the brain, eyes and sinuses is discharged by the body.  I even had them dropping into my mouth.  I'm assuming they're calcium oxalate crystals and have saved some to have them tested.

Unbelievable?  I would have thought so once.  And I would never have believed that high oxalate foods like spinach actually DEPLETE your body of minerals.  But it seems they do.

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https://sallyknorton.com/

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Re: Forum improvements?
« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2020, 07:08:16 PM »
awkwardcustomer, are you advising everyone to stop eating spinach and other foods high in oxalates? For some people there seems to be another side. This article seems to cover your points but doesn't end with the identical conclusion: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/oxalate-good-or-bad.

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Re: Forum improvements?
« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2020, 09:39:33 PM »
awkwardcustomer, are you advising everyone to stop eating spinach and other foods high in oxalates? For some people there seems to be another side. This article seems to cover your points but doesn't end with the identical conclusion: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/oxalate-good-or-bad.

I apologize if I've misunderstood you.

Yes, unless your Greek friend's mother offers you one of those delicious pies made from feta, spinach and filo pastry and you don't want to be rude. 

The author of the article you linked to, Franziska Spritzler, advocates a low carb diet and is linked to 'Diet Doctor' an organisation which promotes the Keto diet.  As Sally K Norton points out in the above video, the Keto diet contains high oxalate foods.  Since there is so little awareness of the oxalate problem, unless linked to kidney stones, diets like the Keto, Paleo, GAPS, can contain too many high oxalate foods and many of Sally Norton's clients have come to her with oxalate problems after having been on these diets.

But it's not just spinach and the other high oxalate greens like beet greens and Swiss chard that are the problem.  Peanuts and potatoes are high in oxalates so it pays to be careful with peanut butter and fries. Chocolate is high, especially dark chocolate. 

I would advise a low to moderate oxalate diet.  Currently I'm at around 100 mg per day which is moderate, but considering I was consuming around 5-600 mg per day when I wasn't eating spinach or beet greens and over 1000 mg when I was which was often, that's been enough of a reduction to prompt a massive detox of what I believe are calcium oxalate crystals which I must have been LOADED with.

Which nutrients in high oxalate foods cannot be found in low oxalate foods?  And if high oxalate foods were only eaten seasonally, or occasionally, that would give the body time to get rid of any accumulations.  It's the constant daily intake that causes the build-up.
 



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