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The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« on: December 04, 2020, 10:43:49 PM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.
 

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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2020, 03:41:51 AM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.

or dating  :) :)
 

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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2020, 07:16:34 AM »
Who's Bob? Is he unwell?
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2020, 07:55:46 AM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.

They’re probably Zoghbyist heretics.
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2020, 10:24:18 AM »
Who's Bob? Is he unwell?
I hear he has pains in his Bod.
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2020, 12:41:34 PM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.

or dating  :) :)

Dating has shit to do with the Baltimore Catechism, whereas BOB/BOD is the most common trad criticism of it. BOB/BOD debate isn't allowed on this web site.
 

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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2020, 06:56:35 PM »
It was humorous; or so I thought.
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2020, 02:46:29 AM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.


or dating  :) :)

Dating has shit to do with the Baltimore Catechism, whereas BOB/BOD is the most common trad criticism of it. BOB/BOD debate isn't allowed on this web site.


Apologies GoG, it was humour.  Dismiss it so.

Fixed it, that's better.
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2020, 02:47:46 AM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.


Apologies GoG, it was humour.  Dismiss it so.
or dating  :) :)

Dating has shit to do with the Baltimore Catechism, whereas BOB/BOD is the most common trad criticism of it. BOB/BOD debate isn't allowed on this web site.

I see that you've finally learned how to use the quoting function.
 

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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2020, 09:22:35 AM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

Note: do not discuss BOB/BOD.


Apologies GoG, it was humour.  Dismiss it so.
or dating  :) :)

Dating has shit to do with the Baltimore Catechism, whereas BOB/BOD is the most common trad criticism of it. BOB/BOD debate isn't allowed on this web site.

I see that you've finally learned how to use the quoting function.

Unfortunately you still haven't learned manners or to show maturity in discourse.


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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2020, 11:31:28 AM »
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Is this a countdown to christulsa's next dramatic exit from the forum in which he denounces us and says he is leaving for ever?  I've been expecting it since it seems that one is due around now.
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2020, 11:43:46 AM »
https://countdown.onlineclock.net/

Is this a countdown to christulsa's next dramatic exit from the forum in which he denounces us and says he is leaving for ever?  I've been expecting it since it seems that one is due around now.

I denounced you, lol, you perpetual Mother Hen.  I’m staying.
 
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2020, 12:00:57 PM »
I have seen vague criticism from Eastern Rite Catholics of the Baltimore Catechism? I am wondering if they have anything concrete or if it just another "Latin" thing they hate.

What problems do you have with it?

You seem to be looking specifically for criticisms from the perspective of Eastern Rite Catholics. I can't answer that, but I found a paper that approaches the question from a historical perspective.  Here is the pdf: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/48606975.pdf

There is an account of publishing the BC starting around page 83 followed by descriptions of its earliest criticisms.   These seem to be mainly about lack of Scripture references and pedagogical concerns.

I have seen general criticisms of the BC that claim it exhibits Americanism, an error which was condemned in the Encyclical, Testem Benevolentiae https://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13teste.htm.  I can see why people might suspect that due to the timing, but I cannot recall ever seeing any specific examples of it cited from the BC.  So I am skeptical of this claim.
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Re: The problem(s) with the Baltimore Catechism?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2020, 12:19:11 PM »
I denounced you, lol, you perpetual Mother Hen.  I’m staying.

I am not sure (nor do I really care) why you consider "Mother Hen" an insult.  I think it is quite understandable that a woman my age would feel motherly concern toward younger forum members.  Why one would denounce this is beyond me.  It seems like a positive quality, if anything.

At any rate, I take your claims about staying no more seriously than I take your claims about leaving.
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