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Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« on: October 21, 2020, 10:27:29 AM »
Francis, "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"

“What we have to create is a civil union law," Francis says in a documentary entitled “Francesco” which premiered in Rome on October 21, CatholicNewsAgency.com writes.

“I stood up for that,” he added claiming that practicing homosexuals are “children of God” and have a "right” to a "family."

Francis' statements oppose Catholic teaching and common sense.

In March 2003, Cardinal Ratzinger published Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons. The document does “not contain new doctrinal elements” but provide “arguments drawn from reason”.

It stresses that there are “absolutely no grounds” for considering homosexual unions to be in any way analogous to God's plan for marriage and family, “Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law.”

Where homosexuals have been given rights belonging to marriage, “clear and emphatic opposition is a duty,” the document concludes.

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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 11:45:49 AM »
Did out the prediction thread. Someone called this. Was it Graham?
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 11:54:04 AM »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8864193/Pope-Francis-endorses-sex-civil-unions-saying-Homosexuals-children-God.html

Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions, saying: 'Homosexuals are children of God and have the right to be in a family'

 - Papal approval came midway through feature-length documentary 'Francesco'
 - The film premiered at the Rome Film Festival, Italy, earlier today
 - It is first time Francis has endorsed same-sex civil unions since taking papal role


Pope Francis has endorsed same-sex civil unions for the first time since taking the papal role.

The approval came midway through a feature-length documentary, titled Francesco, which had its premiere at the Rome Film Festival earlier today.

The film delves into issues Francis cares about most, including the environment, poverty, migration, racial and income inequality, and the people most affected by discrimination.

'Homosexual people have the right to be in a family. They are children of God. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it,' Francis said in one of his sit-down interviews for the film.

'What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered.'

The Pope's remarks will come as a shock to millions of Roman Catholics who have long followed the doctrine that gay relationships are sinful and accepted the Church's stand against the worldwide advance of gay rights.

Francis's predecessors, including Benedict XVI and John Paul II, condemned same-sex marriage during their papal tenure.

Francis himself had opposed legislation to approve same-sex marriages in Argentina when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires a decade ago - but had supported some kind of legal protection for the rights of gay couples at the time.

But shortly after becoming Pope, he said of gay people that 'we must be brothers'.

He added: 'If a person is gay and seeks God and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?'

Papal biographer Austen Ivereigh told Reuters that the pope's comments in the film were some of the clearest language the pontiff has used on the subject since his election in 2013.

The pope, who early in his papacy made the now-famous 'Who am I to judge?' remark about homosexuals trying to live a Christian life, spoke in a section of the film about Andrea Rubera, a gay man who with his partner adopted three children.

Rubera says in the film that he went to a morning Mass the pope said in his Vatican residence and gave him a letter explaining his situation.

He told the pope that he and his partner wanted to bring the children up as Catholics in the local parish but did not want to cause any trauma for the children. It was not clear in which country Rubera lives.

Rubera said the pope telephoned him several days later, telling him he thought the letter was 'beautiful' and urging the couple to introduce their children to the parish but to be ready for opposition.

'His message and his advice was really useful because we did exactly what he told us. It's the third year that they (the children) are on a spiritual path in the parish,' Rubera says in the film.

'He didn't mention what was his opinion about my family so (I think) he is following the doctrine on this point but the attitude towards people has massively changed,' he said.

Oscar-nominated director Evgeny Afineevsky was given remarkable access to cardinals, the Vatican television archives and the pope himself to create the piece.

He said he negotiated his way in through persistence, and deliveries of Argentine mate tea and Alfajores cookies that he got to the pope via some well-connected Argentines in Rome.
 
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 12:47:27 PM »
He certainly does not have a Catholic mind - his faith is humanism.  How can a Pope promote a situation that puts the soul in constant proximity to the occasion of mortal sin?
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 12:55:21 PM »
Atleast it's not magisterial...bleugh.
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 01:00:00 PM »
It seems like pure unblushing self interest, which maybe contrasts with his blushes when he is photographed meeting known Vatican homosexuals.

There is such a problem here. This might not be denoted as magisterial, like most of his ramblings, but outside of those who follow the matter closely, it creates expectations of ever more accommodations with doctrine remaining unchanged, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Francis the Foul is meeting expectations.
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 04:32:02 PM »
Unbelievable
 
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 05:02:39 PM »
Atleast it's not magisterial...bleugh.
O.K. Its not magisterial, but if any person who claims to be Catholic would state the same thing, would anyone with any Catholic sense left or any sense of right or wrong left, doubt that this man has lost that same Catholic and moral sense?
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2020, 05:16:42 PM »
How long, oh Lord?
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2020, 06:04:20 PM »
Simply and without doubt there can be no mincing of words here, the man is beyond heresy at this point. He is an anti-Christ who mocks and derides Catholicism. A master Freemason who has combined the heresies of his post conciliar brethren into a potent concoction that instantly destroys the faith and soul of any who drinks from it. Martin Luther & John Calvin, both notorious heretics who destroyed half the faith of Europe, pale in comparison to this man and his predecessors who have destroyed the faith and souls of hundreds of millions of people.

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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2020, 12:15:06 AM »
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6. For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.

Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren [60].

 7. This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine. Thus the tendency to schism is removed and the whole Church is preserved in unity, and, resting on its foundation, can stand firm against the gates of hell.

See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error. How this is fulfilled over the last 7 years under Francis, I have no clue.

Whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error. How has this been done under Francis?

I see a so-called Catholic Church saturated with error from the top to the bottom. A so-called Catholic church that has eclipsed the Catholic church that existed in October 1958. Somewhere between 1958 to 2020 a church that no longer elected an actual Catholic pope.
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2020, 03:09:18 AM »
This is like a drop of water in the bucket compared to everything else he's done, including comparing traditional vestments to women's dresses, blessing a fertility goddess, saying God wills multiple religions, and allegedly denying Christ's divinity.

Is believing in a policy allowing for civil unions - not marriage, mind you, civil unions - really shocking at this point? I'm numb to this Pope at this point.
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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2020, 03:14:26 AM »
My new theological position, is recognise, resist and throw homosexual clerics off rooftops.
 

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Re: Pope Francis: "We Have To Create Civil Unions For Homosexuals"
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2020, 07:07:37 AM »
Why not stop all this nonsense now and face facts.

Bergoglio isn't Catholic and he isn't the Pope either.

If you want some peace of mind, accept the blatantly obvious situation we are in, which St Paul himself prophesied.  People here like prophesies, but not this one so much.

'The one who holds has been taken out of the way.'  Deal with it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2020, 07:15:16 AM »
He hasn't been taken out of the way.

Bergoglio is right there, just like John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI

Who were just as bad in their own way and for their time.
 
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