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Question for Croix de Fer
« on: September 16, 2020, 02:31:09 PM »
Your forum profile under Marital Status says, "3 wives (more coming, God willing)."

Is this supposed to be a joke, or are you in fact a polygynist?

You also list your religion as "Catholic (true Hebrew Israelite)". What does that mean? Are you a Catholic as understood by the members of this forum?
 
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2020, 03:29:38 PM »
You also list your religion as "Catholic (true Hebrew Israelite)". What does that mean? Are you a Catholic as understood by the members of this forum?

Obviously, he needs to answer that for himself, but I understood this way of describing Catholicism as a statement of supersessionism.

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Supersessionism, also called replacement theology, is a Christian doctrine which asserts that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ supersedes the Old Covenant, which was made exclusively with the Jewish people.

In Christianity, supersessionism is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism.[1] It holds that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God[1][2][3] or that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant.[4] From a supersessionist's "point of view, just by continuing to exist [outside the Church], the Jews dissent".[5] This view directly contrasts with dual-covenant theology which holds that the Mosaic covenant remains valid for Jews.

Supersessionism has formed a core tenet of the Christian Churches for the majority of their existence. Christian traditions that have traditionally championed dual-covenant theology (including the Roman Catholic, Reformed and Methodist teachings of this doctrine), have taught that the moral law continues to stand.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism

This is the historical Catholic view and far more traditional than many recent statements from the Vatican on the subject.   

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Supersessionism is not the name of any official Roman Catholic doctrine and the word appears in no Church documents, but official Catholic teaching has reflected varying levels of supersessionist thought throughout its history, especially prior to the mid-twentieth century. Supersessionist theology is extensive in Catholic liturgy and literature.[5] The Second Vatican Council (1962–65) marked a shift in emphasis of official Catholic teaching about Judaism, a shift which may be described as a move from "hard" to "soft" supersessionism, to use the terminology of David Novak (below).[31]

Prior to Vatican II, Catholic doctrine on the matter was characterized by "displacement" or "substitution" theologies, according to which the Church and its New Covenant took the place of Judaism and its "Old Covenant", the latter being rendered void by the coming of Jesus.[32] The nullification of the Old Covenant was often explained in terms of the "deicide charge" that Jews forfeited their covenantal relationship with God by executing the divine Christ.[33] As recently as 1943, Pope Pius XII stated in his encyclical Mystici corporis Christi:

By the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. … on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees and fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.

— Pope Pius XII, Mystici corporis Christi (1943)

This is an important topic, often misunderstood, so there is a good reason for drawing attention to it in his profile as Croix-de-Fer has done.

On the other hand, the bit about the wives sounded like trolling, so this might be too.
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2020, 07:00:33 PM »
You're always generous, Jayne.

While I am familiar with supersessionism, the term "true Hebrew Israelite" is associated with some bizarre sects. Seeing that on Croix de Fer's profile, together with the reference to polygyny and his numerous posts about a global Jewish conspiracy, ideas that are consistent with some of these groups' beliefs, made me wonder if he is indeed a Catholic. I wanted to give him the opportunity to clarify that.
 
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2020, 07:03:50 PM »
You're always generous, Jayne.

Only if nobody gets me writing on the topic of Greg.   :P
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2020, 07:30:13 PM »
Your forum profile under Marital Status says, "3 wives (more coming, God willing)."

Is this supposed to be a joke, or are you in fact a polygynist?

You also list your religion as "Catholic (true Hebrew Israelite)". What does that mean? Are you a Catholic as understood by the members of this forum?

Hmmm, trad Catholics should have multiple children. Three simultaneous wives, whether or not they know of each others, which itself matters, isn't Catholic. Presumably it's a joke. I cannot see how it would be conducive to sanity also.
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2020, 07:54:25 AM »
You're always generous, Jayne.

While I am familiar with supersessionism, the term "true Hebrew Israelite" is associated with some bizarre sects. Seeing that on Croix de Fer's profile, together with the reference to polygyny and his numerous posts about a global Jewish conspiracy, ideas that are consistent with some of these groups' beliefs, made me wonder if he is indeed a Catholic. I wanted to give him the opportunity to clarify that.

The guy is clearly a Christian Identity troll.

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Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity)[1] is a racist,[2] anti-Semitic,[2] and white supremacist interpretation of Christianity which holds the view that only Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Nordic, Aryan people and those of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

They tend to be quite active on Trad Catholic forums, and are, unfortunately, moderately successful at spreading their inbred, mouth-breathing, stupidity, to lost people looking for answers on the internet.
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2020, 08:15:13 AM »
Same person.  Same avatar.

https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/croix-de-fer-has-been-banned/

https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-forums-ban-discussions-on-geocentrism-long-ages-and-evolution/

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Suscipe Domine and "Catholic" Answers look at real Catholics like we're some kind of freaks.

Bunch of feminists, fags and communists at those sites
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« Last Edit: September 17, 2020, 08:21:26 AM by Greg »
 
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2020, 08:30:40 AM »
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/suscipedomine-promotes-dogmatic-anti-geocentrism/msg478010/#msg478010

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Yeah, the SuscipeDomine forum is a cesspool of neo-Catholic liberals, socialists, heliocentrists and evolutionists. They seem to suck down the modernist kool-aid, too.  :furtive:

 

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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2020, 08:38:40 AM »
Same person.  Same avatar.

Yes. Same style.  Same opinions.

On Cathinfo, where there is nothing especially distinctive about his views on Jews and race, his identifying characteristic is his support of McDougall's sugar diet.  After being banned there, this poster kept coming back under other names.  He always got caught when expressing his views on diet.

Sugar is bad for you. QED.  ;D

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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2020, 08:48:54 AM »
Smart and insightful enough to discern the joos' nefarious plans for world conquest.

Too dumb to change his username and avatar.
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2020, 08:58:37 AM »
After being banned there, this poster kept coming back under other names.  He always got caught when expressing his views on diet.

LOL!
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 09:00:41 AM »
Smart and insightful enough to discern the joos nefarious plans for world conquest.

To dumb to change his username and avatar.

There is no reason to think that he was trying to hide that he used to post on Cathinfo.  He knows that there is an overlap of membership and he would have recognized both you and me, as well as others.

It is consistent with the hypothesis that he is trolling.  He would appreciate the attention of having threads started about him and people writing about his posting history elsewhere.
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2020, 09:29:09 AM »
Didn't he have bizarre views on women and prenups too?

https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/hear-woman-!/15/

Another expert on women who never actually convinced one to marry him, despite being "highly attractive to women" in his own words.

I wonder why he wants to participate in a forum of "fags, feminists, communists, neo-Catholic liberals, socialists, heliocentrists and evolutionists" as he describes this place.

I don't think he is looking for a date.
 
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2020, 03:20:12 PM »
You also list your religion as "Catholic (true Hebrew Israelite)". What does that mean? Are you a Catholic as understood by the members of this forum?

Now that Croix has posted a video from a group which refers to itself as Hebrew Israelites, (although he labels the video "Traditional Catholic Truth") we have the answer to your question. It looks like he is a follower of a heretical sect which he calls Catholic.  See https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=24498.msg511996#msg511996
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Re: Question for Croix de Fer
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