Author Topic: The Latin Text of the Oldest Surviving Papal Decree Rejects "Baptism of Desire"  (Read 2701 times)

Offline Michael Wilson

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Since the Hebrew Church was fallible and often corrupt, did it follow that the Jews, and the righteous Gentiles who accepted the Law, were not obliged to believe any of her teachings? Christ and the Apostles held everyone accountable to the Scriptures and to the authorities who sat in the chair of Moses, regardless of any questions of infallibility.

Furthermore, claiming to possess an infallible authority is not a sufficient reason for credibility: the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses believe their churches to be infallible.

It seems to me that the real question is how one is to understand the extent and nature of the Church's infallibility in view of the historical facts.
It is not clear at all that the Hebrew Church was fallible; Our Lord told his followers that they should believe the teachings of the Pharisees, because they sat on the Chair of Moses, but not to follow their corrupt example. If they did teach spiritually harmful error, Our Lord would not have given them such an order.
However be that as it may,  there is no question that the Catholic Church cannot teach harmful error or lead her children into sin and corruption; otherwise she would not be the divinely instituted and unique vessel of sanctification and salvation that she has always claimed to be. She also obliges all of her members to believe that she is precisely this vessel,  under pain of ceasing to be members of her society.
re. J.W. And Mormons; are you serious? You are comparing the Catholic Church founded by God Himself to two 19th C. Protestant derived sects? I believe that this all comes from reading poisonous material from heretical sources such as the Jansenists. This is very dangerous for your eternal salvation. 
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers
 
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The Pope would hardly mention 'Jebies around the king' - that would be odd, for it was a character of personal motivation for the King. The Arnauds and those around them had made the Jesuits look foolish. There were limits to what they could do to the Dominicans, such was the vitriol that the Pope commanded them to cease, but a few bishops, some priests, many laymen, and the nuns of Port Royal who accepted no second place to other theologians, were a more viable target.
The King's personal confessor was a Jebbie; but so was Louis XV's; we know what happened to these "all powerful J's" under the said King. Also at the same time that the all powerful J's were blackening the Jansenists with "false charges" of heresy that none of them ever held; they were somehow powerless to prevent one of their own members' work and 60 odd propositions from being condemned(?); Straw man indeed.
If any of you who are Jansenist fans, would take the time to peruse a Theological Manual, there are numberless references to Jansenist errors all across the doctrinal spectrum.
 
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"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers