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From: https://maryrefugeofsouls.com/2020/07/01/documentary-garabandal-unstoppable-waterfall-premieres-in-english-on-youtube-july-2-2020/

"Tomorrow, July 2, 2020 we celebrate the 59th anniversary of the first apparition of the Virgin Mary in San Sebastián de Garabandal, and we will be celebrating with the premiere of the new documentary Garabandal, Unstoppable Waterfall. The premiere will take place at 7:00pm (EST/GMT-5) and can be accessed via the following link:
This past June 18, the original Spanish version of the documentary premiered and in less than two weeks it has already been seen by over 500,000 viewers.

For the documentary, Mater Spei AIE interviewed a select group of experts and eyewitnesses of the apparitions. We especially recognize the contribution of Father José Luis Saavedra, author of the first doctoral thesis on Garabandal, who in the documentary Garabandal, Unstoppable Waterfall affirms unequivocally that “the apparitions were not studied at any moment.”

This statement is not to be taken lightly. It is the conclusion reached after a rigorous investigation seeking the truth about what really happened at Garabandal, an investigation that has produced this documentary. If Garabandal, Only God Knows demonstrated that the first episcopal commission did not carry out an authentic study of Garabandal, this new production offers unpublished and surprising facts about the second commission, thus proving that the apparitions of the Virgin in Garabandal have yet to be studied. That is why Father Saavedra is able to affirm that “over fifty years after the apparitions, Garabandal still awaits a response. We have a right to know what happened there.”

In 1992, Cardinal Ratzinger, then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, suggested to the Diocese of Santander that the case be left open via a non constat ruling. Rome did not find sufficient arguments to pronounce a definitive judgment. Given the difficulty found in studying the apparitions, often hindered by so many obstacles, no further solution has been put forward. Since then, the apparitions were left open to the interpretation of the faithful under the guidance of the sensus fidelium. That is why the attitude of the faithful may be fundamental in reaching a favorable judgment from the Church.

What is true is that Garabandal continues to have a very important message for all of us. Despite our reluctance and all the difficulties, Our Mother continues to pour out her blessings in Garabandal because she has committed herself to us in Garabandal in this crucial hour.

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Garabandal is false.  Joey Lomangino died blind.  The main seer Conchita said that Our Lady had told her, that Joey would be alive on the day of the miracle and his sight would be restored and he would remain cured.

If she is wrong about that then the whole thing is nonsense.

Stop revising history.

Here is the 1973 video.


18 mins and 30 seconds.
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There were so many Miracles in Garabandal that by right the whole of Spain should be Catholic by now, if not the whole of Europe, if they took the Miraculous Signs that were given almost daily seriously. Clear manifest signs of the supernatural:
You think one single statement in one interview which you misunderstand can change that? Read it again and she says that when Joey receives his eyesight again the first thing he will see is the Miracle. That could mean any number of things. St. Padre Pio, who believed in Garabandal, also reported seeing the miracle before he died and Joey may have had a similar experience. That is all. There is so much in this video above, if you look through it, that you will not be able to explain from your a priori modernistic/naturalistic perspective.
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Has it been approved by the Church?
"Make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is come to life again; he was lost, and is found."
 
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Listen to this.

Garabandal is Freud.

Real prophecies are Einstein.  Falsifiable.

 

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You think one single statement in one interview which you misunderstand can change that? Read it again and she says that when Joey receives his eyesight again the first thing he will see is the Miracle.

You listen to it again.  She says Joey will REMAIN CURED and she says this was revealed directly to her.

You cannot remain cured if you are dead and you died blind.  "Cured", only applies to physical eyesight.  Currently he has no body, he is a spirit in Heaven or Purgatory.  You only get a resurrected body after the General Judgement so he has no eyes, will not have eyes on the day of the miracle (even in Heaven), since the Miracle is before the general judgement and therefore cannot remain cured in Heaven after the day of the Miracle.

And it is not a single statement.  Joey and his eyesight was a core part of the Garabandal salespitch when he was alive.  Once he died the promoters scrubbed it.

I followed Garabandal closely and not only know some of the Garabandal promoters but even know people who are married to the families of some of the seers.

Moreover, you have the 3 more Popes, no 4 more Popes, now we are on the 5th Pope.  Plus the incorrupt priest who was dug up and found to be corrupt.  Plus Padre Pio who died.
 
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Listen to this.

Garabandal is Freud.

Real prophecies are Einstein.  Falsifiable.

Einstein is not falsifiable.

Einstein is a scientific dogma.
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You yourself claim that you can falsify it Frank.

Therefore it must be falsifiable.

The point is that Einstein was believed because he predicted something in advance that then appeared to happen in reality.  Freud just interpreted any observed behavior he wished as penis envy.

Prophecies that predict nothing specific or which can be sifted through and sandwiched into a future event (when the false parts are ignored and deleted) are utter garbage.  They are nothing more than the tricks used by stage entertainers who claim to be clairvoyants.

For Garabandal to be true as Conchita said it, Joey Lomangino would have to be resurrected from the dead blind, given new physical eyes at the miracle and then live for at least another month, so it could be said that he "remained cured".  That is not going to happen.  God does not resurrect blind people and, if He did, then giving them new eyes is small potatoes compared to bringing them back from the dead.

Garabandal is false.  We can be humanly certain of it.
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You yourself claim that you can falsify it Frank.

Therefore it must be falsifiable.
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You haven't understood my answer.
It can't be falsified because it is a dogma of science and the gatekeepers will simply ignore any falsification and excommunicate anyone who tries. :)
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So like Garabandal then.

But you should not use the word "can't" Frank, but rather won't be falsified (while the gatekeepers are in power).

It could be, because their scientific dogma COULD be shown to be false.  It is possible, and one day presumably will happen because someone will discover a technology that falsifies it.  You think it won't be, but it COULD be.

If something can't be falsified then it must be true.
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Has it been approved by the Church?

Hi Bern. For that, please read, "There he finds some words written in longhand, containing an affectionate greeting and beneath it a name and signature: John Paul II. Albrecht cannot believe what he is seeing. Excitedly, he directs his gaze to the beginning of the text and he begins to read it with full attention, several times, from beginning to end. He is particularly struck by these lines:

“May God reward you for all your work, especially for the deep love with which you are making known the events related to Garabandal. May the message of the Mother of God be received in people’s hearts before it is too late. As an expression of joy and gratitude, the Holy Father wishes to impart his apostolic blessing to you.” https://www.garabandalthemovie.com/en/garabandal/witnesses/353-st-john-paul-ii

So while it officially has a "non constat" (unconfirmed; constat=confirmed supernatural; constat non=confirmed to not be supernatural) status, Pope John Paul II called Garabandal the Message of the Mother of God in a letter. Other prominent Churchmen who supported Garabandal were Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Ottaviani, beside St. Padre Pio and St. Mother Theresa. Conchita wrote the date of the Miracle on a letter and gave it to the Vatican.

They will likely declare a final judgment after that date passes. Hope that clears it up.

Greg, did you watch the video? You can't even explain one of the events, let alone all of them (1) Explain how the girls walked backward, much faster than the boys. (2) Explain how while looking up, they never blinked even when powerful torches were shone right in their eyes. Can you do this? (3) Explain how that while in ecstasy, they were pricked, and did not show pain. If someone did this to you, and you were faking an apparition, would you continue to? (4) Explain how they always gave the Rosary back to the right person, even though they had no idea whose it was; and explain how they knew the Priests and Religious, even though many in those days were dressed in plain clothes (a bad habit, pun intended, but it was something Our Lady used for this supernatural sign (5) Explain the Eucharistic Miracles, including the foretold Angelic Eucharistic Miracle of Miraculous Communion on the tongue, that happened on a prophesied date, and the other ones, like how the Blessed Mother kissed the Eucharistic Chamber, and explained to the girls what it was, as was confirmed only much later etc etc etc. That will do for now to begin with.
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1) Explain how the girls walked backward, much faster than the boys.

They either did not, or Satan.

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(2) Explain how while looking up, they never blinked even when powerful torches were shone right in their eyes. Can you do this?

Either the people testing them were biased or Satan.

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(3) Explain how that while in ecstasy, they were pricked, and did not show pain.

Either the people testing them were biased or Satan.

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If someone did this to you, and you were faking an apparition, would you continue to?

I might be under the control of preternatural forces.

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(4) Explain how they always gave the Rosary back to the right person, even though they had no idea whose it was.

This is simple to explain.  Nobody in Garabandal is objectively gathering the data.  The only people making the trip to an obscure little Spanish town are the people who want to believe there is a miracle.  The hard-nosed rationalists only turn up later when the apparitions are famous enough that they have an interest in disproving them.

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(5) Explain the Eucharistic Miracles.

Simple there are not any.  There is no evidence for them other than a VERY blurred photograph.


Garabandal promoters are the ones making these extraordinary claims, they need to prove them.  The burden is on them.

Joey Lomangino getting cured on the day of the Miracle, his eyesight back and remaining cured was a major part of the Garabandal message and constantly refereed to by the promoters of Garabandal.  The fact Joey was old and getting older and that the promise of Our Lady was so unambiguous, gave a very definite time horizon for the believers and a reason to hope and contribute money and go on pilgrimages.  We know the miracle must be in Joey's lifetime and he is 30 years old than me so I have a good chance of seeing it.

When Joey Lomangino then dies in 2014, to sweep his death under the carpet and delete the source material referring to it, which they have done because I have seen the deletions with me own two eyes is THOROUGHLY dishonest and corrupt.  It is literally an apparition pyramid scheme, where you rope in early investors with false promises and then try to cover your tracks by deleting the lawsuits and the evidence for their claims that you sold them a lie.  The second set of investors are oblivious to the lies.

At the very least they should address this sincerely, not delete the documents to revise history and not call people doubting Thomas' for objecting to the fact that he was promised his eyesight back and is now long since dead.  But if they did that Garabandal would be kaput.  So like all cults they lie and cheat and cover-up.
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Let me ask you a question Xavier.  And please think about it before you answer because you are obviously struggling with logical and rational thought.

What would disprove Garabandal to you?

If Conchita the main seer dies, would you then conclude it was false?

If so, why?  Why does Conchita need to be alive?  She has never specifically said she would be alive on the day of the Miracle.

All she said was that she would announce it 8 days before.  Why could that not be through a saved video message or letter with her lawyer.

Joey Lomangino needed to be alive to "get his eyesight back and remain cured", which Conchita said were the words of Our Lady.  But Conchita does not need to be alive.  All she needs to do is record a video and leave it with a lawyer or store in on the internet with an automatic publication date.  That would fulfill her part of the bargain.

So the Miracle could be anytime "soon" in the next 700 years or indeed never.  There would never come a time where you could falsify Garabandal because that time capsule could always exist in a lawyer's office passed from son to son.
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Lol. Some people believe in Satan and his interventions more fervently than they believe in God's and His Mother's interventions! So Satan is the explanation. And Satan wanted to warn the world that many Cardinals and Bishops were on the way to hell (which they were heavily criticized and pressured by the Hierarchy for saying) why exactly? He had not thought it through? Lol.

Nor would the devil, for those inclinced to believe this, emphasize so much Eucharistic and Marian Devotion, Penance and Sacrifices, and the glories of the Ascetic life, at precisely that time in which it was almost universally forgotten. Indeed, this humility, penance and self-denial is precisely one of those things which the Saints say the devil cannot do. The devil told St. Theresa, "I can imitate all you do except your humility" and she replied "and that is why I defeat you". No, this was a Mercy and Warning from God.

I hadn't followed the Joey thing were closely. I once believed what you were saying about it. Then, I did my own investigation and research, and a completely different picture emerged. At best, they misunderstood what was said about Joey. That can happen sometimes and even seers are not promised infalliblility, impeccability, or 100% discernment.

As for the last question. If Conchita died, or if the Vatican said the date written on the paper passed, and nothing happened, I will agree Garabandal was mistaken.

I do not think that will happen, though. Even 5 years ago when Garabandal watchers said "communism would come again, the churches in the west would be closed, all these are only prefigurements of the possible chastisement to come", people gainsaid them. Now, with BLM and Antifa etc, as well as the Covid virus from Wuhan, China, we've seen that happen before our eyes.

Edit: I saw the premiere iand it was great. Video for those interested is in the OP.
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If Conchita died, I will agree Garabandal was mistaken.

Why?  What is the logic of Conchita (the main seer) dying cancelling Garabandal for you?

She never said she would be alive.

She did say Joey would be alive.


My concluding Garabandal is false is rational because Conchita said Joey would be alive and would remain cured.  And she said these were the words Our Lady had told her.  If she is wrong about that what is she right about?  Conchita has proven unreliable and Our Lady has allowed her to be proven unreliable and therefore it is perfectly just of me to conclude Garabandal is false (even if it is true).

Your quitting merely because Conchita died would be purely emotional.  She never said that she would be alive to announce the miracle, just that she would announce it and that can be EASILY accomplished over the internet in a pre-recorded video.  A video would not in anyway stop her fulfilling her promise to announce it.
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