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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2020, 10:05:36 AM »
Our Lady of La Salette says the period of peace will last for 25 years.

https://www.piercedhearts.org/hearts_jesus_mary/apparitions/la_salette.html
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“At one blow the persecutors of the Church of Jesus Christ and all men given to sin will perish, and the earth will become like a desert. Then there will be peace, the reconciliation of God with men; Jesus Christ will be served, adored and glorified; charity will flourish everywhere. The new kings will be the right arm of Holy Church, which will be strong, humble, pious, poor, zealous and imitative of the virtues of Jesus Christ. The Gospel will be preached everywhere, and men will make great strides in the faith, because there will be unity among Jesus Christ's workers and men will live in the fear of God.

"This peace among men will not last long: 25 years of abundant harvests will make them forget that the sins of men are the cause of all the woes which happen on earth."
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2020, 01:01:44 PM »
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After over the weekend international reports said that multiple hundreds, or up to 1,000 Chinese troops have crossed into India following prior small-scale skirmishes weeks ago involving dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers near a remote but strategically important mountain pass near Tibet, Indian media is now reporting that up to five to ten thousand PLA troops have now moved into Ladakh’s disputed Galwan river area.

Some Indian media reports have suggested multiple thousands, while a new Business Standard India report now claims up to 10,000 Chinese soldiers inside India occupying the Galwan Valley while digging into fortified positions.

Though such figures remain unconfirmed and very likely inflated, it's clear that Indian authorities are watching with growing alarm what they view as an 'invasion' of their sovereign territory.

In order for the Red Dragon to stand on the shore of the Med Sea, it has to come through India.  This is probably just another skirmish, but considering the dire economic situation China finds itself in, keep an eye on it.
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »
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After over the weekend international reports said that multiple hundreds, or up to 1,000 Chinese troops have crossed into India following prior small-scale skirmishes weeks ago involving dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers near a remote but strategically important mountain pass near Tibet, Indian media is now reporting that up to five to ten thousand PLA troops have now moved into Ladakh’s disputed Galwan river area.

Some Indian media reports have suggested multiple thousands, while a new Business Standard India report now claims up to 10,000 Chinese soldiers inside India occupying the Galwan Valley while digging into fortified positions.

Though such figures remain unconfirmed and very likely inflated, it's clear that Indian authorities are watching with growing alarm what they view as an 'invasion' of their sovereign territory.

In order for the Red Dragon to stand on the shore of the Med Sea, it has to come through India.  This is probably just another skirmish, but considering the dire economic situation China finds itself in, keep an eye on it.

Actually there is a 47 mile wide border between Afghanistan and China.  Originally the route of the Silk Road, apparently there are two passes through the mountains, the Wakhjir Pass and the Tegermansu Pass.

Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93China_border

But yeah, not looking good.


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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2020, 04:58:59 PM »
James and Mike,

Are these disputed territories?
 

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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2020, 05:12:51 PM »
James and Mike,

Are these disputed territories?

James may know better, but it looks to me that China is encroaching on Indian land.
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2020, 06:12:44 PM »
Yes, there are numerous blocks of disputed land between China & India that date back to the times Britain controlled India.  This has yet to be resolved and flares up from time to time over the past hundred years.

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It seems that every time Christians are living in a society that is on the decline they claim it is the End Times, ignoring that the much larger rest of the world may not be experiencing the same troubles.  So far these numerous predictions have a 0% batting average.

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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2020, 06:16:04 PM »
In order for the Red Dragon to stand on the shore of the Med Sea, it has to come through India.  This is probably just another skirmish, but considering the dire economic situation China finds itself in, keep an eye on it.

Actually there is a 47 mile wide border between Afghanistan and China.  Originally the route of the Silk Road, apparently there are two passes through the mountains, the Wakhjir Pass and the Tegermansu Pass.

Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93China_border


Also there is the Karakoram Highway that connects China with Pakistan, that looks to me that it goes through the India and Pakistan disputed territory of Kashmir.

Karakoram Highway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram_Highway


Where China is encroaching into India now is quite a bit south east of the Karakoram Highway though, so who knows what China is up to.  Maybe Xavier would know?
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2020, 06:23:07 PM »
Yes, there are numerous blocks of disputed land between China & India that date back to the times Britain controlled India.  This has yet to be resolved and flares up from time to time over the past hundred years.


I knew there were disputed lands between India and Pakistan, particularly Kashmir, dating back to the times Britain controlled India.  I didn't know there was disputed land between China and India dating back to the same period.  I guess that explains what China is doing then, eh?   
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2020, 07:57:32 AM »
What about the events which take place once the antichrist has established his reign?

According to Revelations -

Ch 13 - the antichrist causes all to accept the mark without which no-one can buy or sell,

Ch 14 - describes what shall happen to the wicked who adore the beast and announces and announces that the time for reaping the harvest of the earth has come,

Ch 15 - seven angels appear with the seven last plagues,

Ch 16 - the plagues are poured out .....

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[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels: Go, and pour out the seven vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. [2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men, who had the character of the beast; and upon them that adored the image thereof. [3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea, and there came blood as it were of a dead man; and every living soul died in the sea. [4] And the third poured out his vial upon the rivers and the fountains of waters; and there was made blood

                                                  ....... until the seventh and last plague, by which time the armies of the antichrist consisting of those who have accepted the mark and been infuriated by the first six plagues, are gathered at Armagedon for the final battle.

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[16] And he shall gather them together into a place, which in Hebrew is called Armagedon. [17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial upon the air, and there came a great voice out of the temple from the throne, saying: It is done. [18] And there were lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and there was a great earthquake, such an one as never had been since men were upon the earth, such an earthquake, so great. [19] And the great city was divided into three parts; and the cities of the Gentiles fell. And great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the indignation of his wrath. [20] And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Ch 17 then describes the Whore of Babylon.  Is this a representation of the cities?  Will London lie in ruins?

This is my first reading anyway.  At any rate, it seems as if quite a lot goes on during the reign of the antichrist besides horrendous persecutions.
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2020, 09:59:59 AM »
The Whore of Babylon is the jewish people.  They are frequently referred to as whores in the Old Testament.

There are various choices for the Great Babylon.  Jerusalem, Rome, London, or NYC seem like likely candidates.
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2020, 10:56:28 AM »
So, the fall of Babylon takes place during the reign of the antichrist as a result of the seventh of the seven last plagues?

The first six of the seven last plagues, which also take place once the antichrist's reign has begun, are -

- wounds appear on those who have accepted the mark;
- the sea turns into blood;
- the rivers turn into blood;
- the sun becomes ferociously hot;
- Ch16, v10 - 'the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom became dark, and they gnawed their tongues for pain';
- the River Euphrates dries up.

Are these literal descriptions of what will happen, quite soon if the antichrist is alive as some appear to think is possible?

Here's the full description of the seventh of the seventh last plagues.

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[16] And he shall gather them together into a place, which in Hebrew is called Armagedon. [17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial upon the air, and there came a great voice out of the temple from the throne, saying: It is done. [18] And there were lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and there was a great earthquake, such an one as never had been since men were upon the earth, such an earthquake, so great. [19] And the great city was divided into three parts; and the cities of the Gentiles fell. And great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the indignation of his wrath. [20] And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16.

'.... and the great city was divided into three parts; and the cities of the Gentiles fell.'

Those who somehow manage to survive the persecutions of the antichrist will also witness all of the above as well as the Second Coming of Christ. 
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And formerly the heretics were manifest; but now the Church is filled with heretics in disguise.  
St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 15, para 9.

And what rough beast, it's hour come round at last,
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WB Yeats, 'The Second Coming'.
 

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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2020, 03:42:40 AM »
James and Mike,

Are these disputed territories?

James may know better, but it looks to me that China is encroaching on Indian land.

Chinese are white people too?
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Re: Great restoration or second coming
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2020, 10:02:34 AM »
The Whore of Babylon is the jewish people.  They are frequently referred to as whores in the Old Testament.

There are various choices for the Great Babylon.  Jerusalem, Rome, London, or NYC seem like likely candidates.

More likely Jerusalem all around:

http://www.joemcclane.com/downloads/Pitre-Who-is-the-Whore-of-Babylon.pdf

 

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« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2020, 11:06:47 AM »
Third way: God helps those who help themselves. This is the pragmatic shortcut around all the fine-grained speculations on prophecy, divine intervention, and grace. It is also the tonic that pessimistic, passive, insular and downright lazy Christian conservatives need.
 

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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2020, 03:16:09 PM »
Third way: God helps those who help themselves. This is the pragmatic shortcut around all the fine-grained speculations on prophecy, divine intervention, and grace. It is also the tonic that pessimistic, passive, insular and downright lazy Christian conservatives need.

Sounds semi-pelagian, and also could lead to the mentality that those who don't seem to be helped are abandoned by God.
 
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