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Re: Would it be wrong to be around them?
« Reply #105 on: June 02, 2020, 10:07:10 AM »


we are required by the divine and natural law to always show filial love and respect to our mother and father, and ensure the rights of both the grandparents and children to a family community life between them as part of their moral and spiritual education.   The danger of going to the extreme that Graham is counseling about (btw he was responding to the OP not Gardener) is that it would ironically communicate to the children actual doctrinal/moral errors about:   the moral obligation towards grandparents, respect for authority (4th commandment), preservation not just of the Christian life of the domestic family but that of the extended family, including the strict obligation to maintain emotional if not material support for our parents in their old age, as much as we are able.   


You are very confused about what the 4th commandment actually means.

Also, since you have no kids, you have zero valid opinions on grandparent relationships or bunker trads. Being a Catholic as a childless adult is a completely and utterly different thing than being a Catholic with children. There is no comparison. You are responsible for your soul, that is it, no more. Parents are responsible for the immortal souls of all their children, and it shapes everything we do, every decision we make; it has to. Almost every outward sign of "trad life" has to do with children. If you aren't fighting that fight then get comfy on the sidelines until you have something well-informed to add to the conversation.



Living out the 4th commandment is what Jesus said, obey your parents in all things except sin.

When it comes down to loyalty, one day we will have to choose between livevif God and love of a family member. The gospels say that Jesus said His coming will divide families against each other. That's what has happened here. The choice is pretty clear. Who gives a d@#% about what it looks like to the outside world, to choose Christ over family? Loving them means praying and fasting for their conversion to the faith. Until that happens, there's no merit in spending idle time with them, stroking their egos, deferring to their heretical beliefs.
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Re: Would it be wrong to be around them?
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2020, 12:19:55 PM »



and just like that a bit of fresh logical air blows through the window...
 

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Re: Would it be wrong to be around them?
« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2020, 09:41:47 AM »
Instead of a new question, are we permitted to enter the homes of those family who are not married and have children?
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Re: Would it be wrong to be around them?
« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2020, 11:10:43 AM »
Instead of a new question, are we permitted to enter the homes of those family who are not married and have children?
We are not supposed to enter their homes and also not invite them over as a couple to our homes; mostly because it would be giving a public scandal, because by our actions we show that we are approving of their public sin.
I would say that because of the almost universal breakdown in public morality as regards the sanctity of Holy Matrimony, it is probably not giving scandal anymore, as the great majority of people see this behavior as totally normal and acceptable.
To illustrate how much the situation has deteriorated, one of my great aunts was only married for a short time when she and her husband separated; even though this woman came from a wealthy socialite family, and had numerous friends and was very popular; she was never invited to any of her friends or family's houses during social events which involved married couples. It was just understood that this was forbidden.
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Re: Would it be wrong to be around them?
« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2020, 11:53:40 AM »

I would say that because of the almost universal breakdown in public morality as regards the sanctity of Holy Matrimony, it is probably not giving scandal anymore, as the great majority of people see this behavior as totally normal and acceptable.


It may not scandalize someone who is jaded, and sees the ugliness and sin in the world all around them; it will scandalize your children though. They are innocent, their home is supposed to be an oasis of tradition and obedience to God. You are supposed to protect them until they have to confront society for what it is. This is the material point.
 
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