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In historical books predating the Incarnation of Our Lord Jesus Christ by several centuries, we read of the history of Adam and Eve. There, among other things, it is said, that the Word that created Adam and Eve, i.e. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word (Jn 1:1-17), would come to save them. And many other things are explicitly declared by the Great Patriarch Adam and Great Matron Eve; that Christ Our Lord would receive Gifts of Gold, of Incense, of Myrrh at His Birth; that these would be buried along with the body of Adam and taken by the kings. That the body of Adam is to be buried in Jerusalem, where one day in the future it will be discovered. There is a Church in Jerusalem, near Golgotha or Calvary, the Place of the Skull, where Tradition hands down that Adam is buried and his skull is kept; till it is revealed by God at the opportune time, i.e. after many naysayers and non-Christains today deny even the very historical existence of Adam 7500 years ago. For us Christians, we must remember the historical Promise, that God would become Man to save Adam and his children from hell.

"CHAP. II.

Adam and Eve faint upon leaving the Garden. God sends His word to encourage them.

BUT when our father Adam, and Eve, went out of the garden, they trod the ground on their feet, not knowing they were treading.

2 And when they came to the opening of the gate of the garden, and saw the broad earth spread before them, covered with stones large and small, and with sand, they feared and trembled, and fell on their faces, from the fear that came upon them; and they were as dead.

3 Because--whereas they had hitherto been in the garden-land, beautifully planted with all manner of trees--they now saw themselves, in a strange land, which they knew not, and had never seen.

4 And because at that time they were filled with the grace of a bright nature, and they had not hearts turned towards earthly things.

5 Therefore had God pity on them; and when He saw them fallen before the gate of the garden, He sent His Word unto father Adam and Eve, and raised them from their fallen state."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe007.htm

CHAP. III.
Concerning the promise of the great five days and a half.

GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the

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[paragraph continues]Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.

2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."

3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.

4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.

5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.

6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed." https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe008.htm
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In historical books predating the Incarnation of Our Lord Jesus Christ by several centuries, we read of the history of Adam and Eve.

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_Adam_and_Eve_with_Satan
 

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Yup. Wikipedia is decent on secular subjects, but has terrible anti-Christian liberal secularist bias when it comes to Christian subjects. They cannot accept any clear prophesy of Christ's Incarnation in pre-Christian sources, lest they be compelled by Grace to become Christians. Thus, they falsely claim the Gospel of St. Matthew post-dates 70 A.D. and place it around 80 or even later, whereas Tradition hands down that it was written by St. Matthew the Apostle - which they also deny - and while Sts. Peter and St. Paul were preaching in Rome around 42 A.D. They cannot accept that, because of their liberal secularist presuppositions, which deny prophesy, and see the destruction of Jerusalem - which happened only in 70 A.D - so clearly prophesied by Christ Our Lord, Who wept over that city, in the Gospel of St. Matthew. I've been concerned about Wiki's liberal secularist bias for a long time. I plan to start a Christian Wikipedia one day correcting anti-Christian biases and secularistic atheistic presuppositions that deny the many prophesies God has handed down through Sacred Tradition.

"From such imaginative surroundings you find yourself suddenly staring at commonplace unvarnished events of family life--and such a family as "the first earthly family" was! They had all the troubles, all the petty disagreements, and the taking sides with one another, and the bother moving, and "staying with the baby," that in the total mark family life to-day. You will see it when you peep beneath the overlaying glamour of tradition.

One critic has said of this writing:

"This is we believe, the greatest literary discovery that the world has known. Its effect upon contemporary thought in molding the judgment of the future generations is of incalculable value.

"The treasures of Tut-ank-Amen's Tomb were no more precious to the Egyptologist than are these literary treasures to the world of scholarship." https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe005.htm
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Offer your Life to Jesus and Mary: TEXT OF THE LIFE OFFERING, adapted: Dear Lord Jesus, before the Holy Trinity, Our Heavenly Mother, and the whole Heavenly Court, united with Your most Precious Blood and Your Sacrifice on Calvary, We hereby Offer our whole Lives to the Intention of Your Sacred Heart and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Together with our life, we place at Your disposal all Holy Masses, all our Holy Communions, all Rosaries, all acts of consecration, all our good deeds, all our sacrifices, and the suffering of our entire life for the Adoration and Supplication of the Holy Trinity, for Unity in our Holy Mother Church, for the Holy Father, Pope Francis the First; and for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. For His Eminence Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, His Excellency Metropolitan Hilarion, as well as His Eminence Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, that they may re-unite their flocks with the Roman Catholic Church, and there may soon be but One Fold and One Shepherd. For all the 220+ Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, for all 6000+ Bishops of the Universal Church that they may be true Apostles and Shepherds; and for the 400,000+ Priests, the 700,000+ Nuns, 50,000+ Monks, 100,000+ seminarians, that they may all become the Saints the Divine Will wishes them to be; for all the 1.35 Billion Members of the Church, the Millions of Catholic Catechumens and Children to be born and baptized in this Decade; we pray for good Priestly and Religious Vocations, for All Lay Apostolates, and All Souls until the end of the world. O my Jesus, please accept our life Sacrifice and our offerings and give us Your grace that we may all persevere obediently until death. Amen." https://marianapostolate.com/life-offering/

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Dear lord you are an isufferable idiot.

The "original" exists as an Arabic manuscript. The Arabic script itself is no older than the 6th century. You have no evidence whatsoever, and no reason to believe, that this text predates "the Incarnation of Our Lord Jesus Christ by several centuries".

But you'll defend an anonymous text for which no evidence exists it is more ancient than the 7th century with a blurb quoting an anonymous "critic" while rejecting something like the Gospel of Thomas and selecting the latest possible dating for other allegedly "heretical" texts.
 

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 "Sacred Tradition"? Seriously? This story is "Sacred Tradition"? Maybe your fake visionaries too? Anythign Xavier wants to be? You make a mockery of tradition, a joke of Christianity, with this stupid attitude.
 

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When do you believe the Gospel of St. Matthew was written? If you agree with liberal secularists that it was post-70, you hold a practically heretical opinion and you're not worth my time on such things. I will go by the opinions of esteemed Catholic Christian scholars only. You're greatly ignorant on such things and I won't take you as a guide, thanks. I bet you didn't even know of these or other Treasures like the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. When someone spoonfeeds you with such treasures of great value, you respond with contemptuous spite. Typical.
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To understand God's Plan for Humanity, and how He has provided the means by which we can minimize the Coming Great Tribulation, read: https://maryrefugeofholylove.com/

Offer your Life to Jesus and Mary: TEXT OF THE LIFE OFFERING, adapted: Dear Lord Jesus, before the Holy Trinity, Our Heavenly Mother, and the whole Heavenly Court, united with Your most Precious Blood and Your Sacrifice on Calvary, We hereby Offer our whole Lives to the Intention of Your Sacred Heart and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Together with our life, we place at Your disposal all Holy Masses, all our Holy Communions, all Rosaries, all acts of consecration, all our good deeds, all our sacrifices, and the suffering of our entire life for the Adoration and Supplication of the Holy Trinity, for Unity in our Holy Mother Church, for the Holy Father, Pope Francis the First; and for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. For His Eminence Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, His Excellency Metropolitan Hilarion, as well as His Eminence Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, that they may re-unite their flocks with the Roman Catholic Church, and there may soon be but One Fold and One Shepherd. For all the 220+ Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, for all 6000+ Bishops of the Universal Church that they may be true Apostles and Shepherds; and for the 400,000+ Priests, the 700,000+ Nuns, 50,000+ Monks, 100,000+ seminarians, that they may all become the Saints the Divine Will wishes them to be; for all the 1.35 Billion Members of the Church, the Millions of Catholic Catechumens and Children to be born and baptized in this Decade; we pray for good Priestly and Religious Vocations, for All Lay Apostolates, and All Souls until the end of the world. O my Jesus, please accept our life Sacrifice and our offerings and give us Your grace that we may all persevere obediently until death. Amen." https://marianapostolate.com/life-offering/

"Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix of the world, pray for us" [Promise: 1000 Souls from Purgatory]"This short prayer, this insistent prayer, every time it is said, sets free from Purgatory 1000 Souls, who reach the Eternal Joy, the Eternal Light"(!). http://www.jesusmariasite.org/jesus-pray-my-children-that-the-fifth-marian-dogma-be-proclaimed/
 

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When do you believe the Gospel of St. Matthew was written? If you agree with liberal secularists that it was post-70, you hold a practically heretical opinion.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts surrounding the 1st and 2nd Books of Adam.

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I will go by the opinions of esteemed Catholic Christian scholars only.

What esteemed Catholci scholars say the 1st and 2nd Books of Adam predate the Gospels?

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You're greatly ignorant on such things and I won't take you as a guide, thanks. I bet you didn't even know of these or other Treasures like the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs. When someone spoonfeeds you with such treasures of great value, you respond with contemptuous spite. Typical.

Wrong, doofus. I've read lots of apocryphal texts. I've read the Nag Hammadi texts too, which you won't even touch.
 

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This has nothing whatsoever to do ...

It has everything to do with whether you're a Protestant or a secularist, or whether you think like a Catholic.

It's Maundy Thursday and I don't intend to get into a fight now. I posted this here to edify. I'll dig up what I read earlier later on.

Two other important links for others on Adam: https://marahdulce.com/adams-skull/
https://catholicism.org/the-skull-of-adam-was-buried-beneath-the-cross-of-christ.html

This is a pre-Christian Tradition. The Skull of Adam is why the Place was called Golgotha or Calvary. That's important.
To understand God's Plan for Humanity, and how He has provided the means by which we can minimize the Coming Great Tribulation, read: https://maryrefugeofholylove.com/

Offer your Life to Jesus and Mary: TEXT OF THE LIFE OFFERING, adapted: Dear Lord Jesus, before the Holy Trinity, Our Heavenly Mother, and the whole Heavenly Court, united with Your most Precious Blood and Your Sacrifice on Calvary, We hereby Offer our whole Lives to the Intention of Your Sacred Heart and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Together with our life, we place at Your disposal all Holy Masses, all our Holy Communions, all Rosaries, all acts of consecration, all our good deeds, all our sacrifices, and the suffering of our entire life for the Adoration and Supplication of the Holy Trinity, for Unity in our Holy Mother Church, for the Holy Father, Pope Francis the First; and for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. For His Eminence Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, His Excellency Metropolitan Hilarion, as well as His Eminence Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, that they may re-unite their flocks with the Roman Catholic Church, and there may soon be but One Fold and One Shepherd. For all the 220+ Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, for all 6000+ Bishops of the Universal Church that they may be true Apostles and Shepherds; and for the 400,000+ Priests, the 700,000+ Nuns, 50,000+ Monks, 100,000+ seminarians, that they may all become the Saints the Divine Will wishes them to be; for all the 1.35 Billion Members of the Church, the Millions of Catholic Catechumens and Children to be born and baptized in this Decade; we pray for good Priestly and Religious Vocations, for All Lay Apostolates, and All Souls until the end of the world. O my Jesus, please accept our life Sacrifice and our offerings and give us Your grace that we may all persevere obediently until death. Amen." https://marianapostolate.com/life-offering/

"Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix of the world, pray for us" [Promise: 1000 Souls from Purgatory]"This short prayer, this insistent prayer, every time it is said, sets free from Purgatory 1000 Souls, who reach the Eternal Joy, the Eternal Light"(!). http://www.jesusmariasite.org/jesus-pray-my-children-that-the-fifth-marian-dogma-be-proclaimed/
 
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This has nothing whatsoever to do ...

It has everything to do with whether you're a Protestant or a secularist, or whether you think like a Catholic.

with the facts surrounding the 1st and 2nd Books of Adam.
 

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"The lack of historical allusion makes it difficult to precisely date the writing, however, using other pseudepigraphical works as a reference, it was probably written a few hundred years before the birth of Christ" https://www.gutenberg.org/files/398/398-h/398-h.htm
To understand God's Plan for Humanity, and how He has provided the means by which we can minimize the Coming Great Tribulation, read: https://maryrefugeofholylove.com/

Offer your Life to Jesus and Mary: TEXT OF THE LIFE OFFERING, adapted: Dear Lord Jesus, before the Holy Trinity, Our Heavenly Mother, and the whole Heavenly Court, united with Your most Precious Blood and Your Sacrifice on Calvary, We hereby Offer our whole Lives to the Intention of Your Sacred Heart and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Together with our life, we place at Your disposal all Holy Masses, all our Holy Communions, all Rosaries, all acts of consecration, all our good deeds, all our sacrifices, and the suffering of our entire life for the Adoration and Supplication of the Holy Trinity, for Unity in our Holy Mother Church, for the Holy Father, Pope Francis the First; and for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. For His Eminence Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, His Excellency Metropolitan Hilarion, as well as His Eminence Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, that they may re-unite their flocks with the Roman Catholic Church, and there may soon be but One Fold and One Shepherd. For all the 220+ Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, for all 6000+ Bishops of the Universal Church that they may be true Apostles and Shepherds; and for the 400,000+ Priests, the 700,000+ Nuns, 50,000+ Monks, 100,000+ seminarians, that they may all become the Saints the Divine Will wishes them to be; for all the 1.35 Billion Members of the Church, the Millions of Catholic Catechumens and Children to be born and baptized in this Decade; we pray for good Priestly and Religious Vocations, for All Lay Apostolates, and All Souls until the end of the world. O my Jesus, please accept our life Sacrifice and our offerings and give us Your grace that we may all persevere obediently until death. Amen." https://marianapostolate.com/life-offering/

"Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix of the world, pray for us" [Promise: 1000 Souls from Purgatory]"This short prayer, this insistent prayer, every time it is said, sets free from Purgatory 1000 Souls, who reach the Eternal Joy, the Eternal Light"(!). http://www.jesusmariasite.org/jesus-pray-my-children-that-the-fifth-marian-dogma-be-proclaimed/