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Offline Daniel

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Temperaments?
« on: January 29, 2020, 06:47:05 AM »
I know a little about the four temperaments, but I don't know much about the traditional/historical beliefs concerning them. I am wondering whether the temperaments are something positive, given to us by God so that we can use them; or are they a defect or weakness that comes about as a result of original sin?

Should we each have the temperament we have? or are we supposed to try and rid ourself of our temperament, by aiming for some golden mean?

(I take it that the Church doesn't have any sort of official teaching on this, and that we are free to speculate? Correct me if I'm wrong on that. But I'm also kind of interested on whether there has been any popular/favoured opinion, historically.)
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Re: Temperaments?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2020, 09:23:11 AM »
https://www.fisheaters.com/fourtemperaments.html

Father Ripperger has a talk on the temperaments, as well.  It's very good.
 
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Re: Temperaments?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2020, 09:24:27 AM »
I attached an article by Fr. Christian Kappes on the 4 temperaments in the following post:

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=19629.msg435033#msg435033

Might find it helpful for pointing you in the right direction.

Should we have our Temperament? Yes. Can one imagine St. Peter as a Phlegmatic?

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Re: Temperaments?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2020, 09:35:55 AM »
I agree with Gardener that we should not try to eradicate our temperament.  God gave us our particular personalities for a reason.  We should strive to know ourselves well, so that we can temper our weaknesses and hone our strengths.  Everything given us by God should be used for His glory, including our temperaments. 
 
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Re: Temperaments?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2020, 05:40:34 PM »
I attached an article by Fr. Christian Kappes on the 4 temperaments in the following post:

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=19629.msg435033#msg435033

Might find it helpful for pointing you in the right direction.

Should we have our Temperament? Yes. Can one imagine St. Peter as a Phlegmatic?

Like all things God has given us, or allowed us to have, it is ultimately for our own good should we not fight the associated graces.

Here's the same article by Fr. Kappes, a little easier to access (it was linked to further down the fisheaters page Munda provided): https://www.fisheaters.com/4temperaments.pdf
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Re: Temperaments?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2020, 09:30:50 AM »
I don't know much about analyzing temperaments. Just for fun, can someone who knows well how to analyze which temperament a person belongs to help us understand which one these Apostles would be classified under, based on their writings, with some explanation: [the brackets are my, somewhat, semi-serious, guesses :D]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_temperaments

1. St. Peter [Sanguine based on his impetuosity? From the Gospel, it looks like good St. Peter often had outbursts of enthusiasm in his Faith; more than once]
2. St. Paul [Choleric based on 2 Cor 12 chapter? 12:1 "If I must glory (it is not expedient indeed), but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord"]

3. St. John the Beloved [Melancholic based on his introverted nature, striving for perfection, and deep thought? I dunno.  I think secular categories don't fully account for his deep love of the Lord]
4. St. James the Just [who wrote the Epistle] [Not given to Anger so I'm guessing Phlegmatic: I think we know the text: James 1:20 "For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God."]

[I really didn't mean to fit these 4 Apostles into the four categories when I started; it just seemed to fit, somehow :D]

I'm omitting other Apostles for whom we have lesser Biblical information. Just pasting the summary Wiki gives for anyone who wants to use ti to analyze:

"Sanguine personality type is described primarily as being highly talkative, enthusiastic, active, and social. Sanguines tend to be more extroverted and enjoy being part of a crowd; they find that being social, outgoing, and charismatic is easy to accomplish.[2][3] Individuals with this personality have a hard time doing nothing and engage in more risk seeking behaviour.[2]

Choleric individuals tend to be more extroverted. They are described as independent, decisive, and goal-oriented, and ambitious. These combined with their dominant, result-oriented outlook make them natural leaders. In Greek, Medieval and Renaissance thought, they were also violent, vengeful, and short-tempered.[16]

Melancholic individuals tend to be analytical and detail-oriented, and they are deep thinkers and feelers. They are introverted and try to avoid being singled out in a crowd.[2] A melancholic personality leads to self-reliant individuals who are thoughtful, reserved, and often anxious.[2] They often strive for perfection within themselves and their surroundings, which leads to tidy and detail oriented behavior.[2]

Phlegmatic individuals tend to be relaxed, peaceful, quiet, and easy-going.[2] They are sympathetic and care about others, yet they try to hide their emotions. Phlegmatic individuals also are good at generalizing ideas or problems to the world and making compromises.[2]"
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