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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1185 on: March 25, 2020, 01:07:47 PM »
...and just in case people think I'm the one doing the exaggerating, I open my local paper and again we have the inflated language:  "deaths continue to climb"  (that means one death in one county, where there were zero deaths, and four deaths in another county, where there were 2)

So (referring to the above), when you walk upstairs, do you consider your first step, from the landing to the first step, a "climb"?  I consider it "a step."  If I were an Olympic athlete with very long legs able to execute many steps at once -- say, 8 -- I would consider that a "leap."  But these aren't the increases that are represented by the stats.

Other language I've seen:  "explode"
 
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1186 on: March 25, 2020, 03:42:22 PM »
Our stupid governor just closed the schools till May 1st. What a <bleep>.
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1187 on: March 25, 2020, 03:54:20 PM »
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An employee of a call center in Seoul, was infected.
Office had 207 people.
March 8th. he tested positive.
EVERY person in that office was tested. today 152 have tested positive, they tested floors above and below his floor. Today 3 more from the 11th floor were found and 1 contact.

So 152 people had the disease and didn't know it.  Highly contagious.  Very mild.

Beware binary thinking.  Yes this disease is real and it is highly contagious.  However it is very mild except to certain people.  Most likely it is an attenuated virus being developed for a SARS vaccine in China that got out.  That is why it is so mild.

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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1188 on: March 25, 2020, 04:13:46 PM »
Our stupid governor just closed the schools till May 1st. What a <bleep>.

It's a prudent decision.
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1189 on: March 25, 2020, 06:27:58 PM »
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A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19

Published: March 14, 2020; Updated: March 25, 2020

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment. (Daily updates below)

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

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The doctor also points out the following aspects:

Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which has already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic.

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Furthermore, according to a first Chinese study, the internationally used virus test kits may give a false positive result in some cases. In these cases, the persons may not have contracted the new coronavirus, but presumably one of the many existing human coronaviruses that are part of the annual (and currently ongoing) common cold and flu epidemics.

Thus the most important indicator for judging the danger of the disease is not the frequently reported number of positively-tested persons and deaths, but the number of persons actually and unexpectedly developing or dying from pneumonia (so-called excess mortality).

According to all current data, for the healthy general population of school and working age, a mild to moderate course of the Covid-19 disease can be expected. Senior citizens and persons with existing chronic diseases should be protected. The medical capacities should be optimally prepared.

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Important reference values include the number of annual flu deaths, which is up to 8,000 in Italy and up to 60,000 in the US; normal overall mortality, which in Italy is up to 2,000 deaths per day; and the average number of pneumonia cases per year, which in Italy is over 120,000.

Current all-cause mortality in Europe and in Italy is still normal or even below-average. Any excess mortality due to Covid-19 should become visible in the European monitoring charts.

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Italian immunology professor Sergio Romagnani from the University of Florence comes to the conclusion in a study on 3000 people that 50 to 75% of the test-positive people of all ages remain completely symptom-free – significantly more than previously assumed.

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The occupancy rate of the North Italian ICUs in the winter months is typically already 85 to 90%. Some or many of these existing patients could also be test-positive by now. However, the number of additional unexpected pneumonia cases is not yet known.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1190 on: March 25, 2020, 07:21:36 PM »
USA:  65,600, Deaths: 931

Italy:  74,400, Deaths: 7,503

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Important reference values include the number of annual flu deaths, which is up to 8,000 in Italy

They'll take that out tomorrow.  But again, avoid binary thinking.  It's real, it's contagious, and it is lethal to old sick people (which is why 2 hospital ships, MASH units, and convention center conversions are ongoing in NYC), but for most people, including workers and students, it is a mild attenuated virus that 30-40% won't even notice, and the rest will spend a few days in bed with.
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1191 on: March 25, 2020, 07:23:49 PM »
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Our stupid governor just closed the schools till May 1st. What a <bleep>.

That's what set off the panic in my State.  School Closing + Women + Facebook -> Panic.

If you haven't seen the panic buying yet, by tomorrow your shelves will be cleared out.  Not a problem, wait a week and they'll be stocked again.
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1192 on: March 25, 2020, 08:45:31 PM »
What's your thoughts on chloroquine as a treatment. Good success rate for the French. Now that Trump as rubber stamped it, the liberal media are saying it's useless.
Not according to some studies though

https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416


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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1193 on: March 25, 2020, 08:50:29 PM »
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1194 on: March 25, 2020, 10:30:55 PM »
Chloroquine showed potential effectiveness against SARS (Covid19 is SARS-2).  China has been treating with chloroquine since at least January and there are numerous Chinese studies on its effectiveness.  In mid-April China is completing numerous double-blind multi-site large sample sized antiviral regiment studies, including the use of chloroquine.  I am fairly confident that by May there will be a fairly reliable treatment regiment in use.
 
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1195 on: March 25, 2020, 11:52:03 PM »
I suppose I’m baffled by how every single diocese within the United States has suspended public Masses/liturgies and most of the Sacraments....within what? Two to three days? Never before in our history has every single diocese in the country been closed (unless I’m wrong? But I don’t think I am). And yet gullible Americans are allowed to crowd into their local grocery stores by the hundreds like buzzards fighting over a corpse.

It all seems too diabolical to me. Too well orchestrated and timed...too evil. And our cowardly clergy, bishops, cardinals, sodomites in Rome all hide in their glass towers, worshipping mammon thinking they will live through the breakdown. When their glass towers break and shatter, and fall to the ground what will there there be for them? Wailing and weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I keep hearing at how our brave politicians will save us all, they know what they’re doing. “Mr. Politician, please tell me where I can go peepee and poopoo...and where I’m allowed to go...and what my curfew is...and when I can go to work...and how long I can be outside for...and what number to call when I need to report my neighbors for breaking their quarantine.”

Americans are moronic, especially the ones that think the federal government and corporations will come to save them. Socialism at its finest. A sign of things to come perhaps, at an incredibly alarming rate.
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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1196 on: March 25, 2020, 11:57:02 PM »

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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1197 on: March 26, 2020, 03:49:54 AM »
I suppose I’m baffled by how every single diocese within the United States has suspended public Masses/liturgies and most of the Sacraments....within what? Two to three days? Never before in our history has every single diocese in the country been closed (unless I’m wrong? But I don’t think I am). And yet gullible Americans are allowed to crowd into their local grocery stores by the hundreds like buzzards fighting over a corpse.

It all seems too diabolical to me. Too well orchestrated and timed...too evil. And our cowardly clergy, bishops, cardinals, sodomites in Rome all hide in their glass towers, worshipping mammon thinking they will live through the breakdown. When their glass towers break and shatter, and fall to the ground what will there there be for them? Wailing and weeping and gnashing of teeth.


It is diabolical.
 

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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1198 on: March 26, 2020, 03:56:07 AM »
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Hi Martin. Do you take Licorice? "Glycyrrhizin, liquiritigenin, and glabridin are just some of the active substances in licorice that have powerful antiviral properties (34Trusted Source).

Test-tube studies demonstrate that licorice root extract is effective against HIV, RSV, herpes viruses, and severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which causes a serious type of pneumonia (35) https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/antiviral-herbs#11.-Licorice Since the novel coronavirus is SARS-COV-2, and has been found to have some HIV strains, Licorice could quite possibly be doubly effective against it. Just an intuition. 14 other herbs with anti-viral properties are mentioned there. I hope you find them useful.

For general immunity, building up Vitamin C is best: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-c-benefits

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Davis, since covid 19 is SARS 2, as you mentioned, it seems virtually certain that Chloroquine and Hydroxy-Chloroquine will have the same efficacy against it as it had against the original; and probably if not for WHO politics would have already been marketed as such.

Here's an August 22, 2005 study: "Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV) ...

chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV ...

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds ...


Chloroquine can affect virus infection in many ways, and the antiviral effect depends in part on the extent to which the virus utilizes endosomes for entry. Chloroquine has been widely used to treat human diseases, such as malaria, amoebiosis, HIV, and autoimmune diseases, without significant detrimental side effects [15]. Together with data presented here, showing virus inhibition in cell culture by chloroquine doses compatible with patient treatment, these features suggest that further evaluation of chloroquine in animal models of SARS-CoV infection would be warranted as we progress toward finding effective antivirals for prevention or treatment of the disease.

... We have identified chloroquine as an effective antiviral agent for SARS-CoV in cell culture conditions, as evidenced by its inhibitory effect when the drug was added prior to infection or after the initiation and establishment of infection. The fact that chloroquine exerts an antiviral effect during pre- and post-infection conditions suggest that it is likely to have both prophylactic and therapeutic advantages. Recently, Keyaerts et al. [21] reported the antiviral properties of chloroquine and identified that the drug affects SARS-CoV replication in cell culture, as evidenced by quantitative RT-PCR. Taken together with the findings of Keyaerts et al. [21], our analysis provides further evidence that chloroquine is effective against SARS-CoV Frankfurt and Urbani strains. We have provided evidence that chloroquine is effective in preventing SARS-CoV infection in cell culture if the drug is added to the cells 24 h prior to infection. In addition, chloroquine was significantly effective even when the drug was added 3–5 h after infection, suggesting an antiviral effect even after the establishment of infection. Since similar results were obtained by NH4Cl treatment of Vero E6 cells, the underlying mechanism(s) of action of these drugs might be similar." From: https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

Finally, to something mentioned earlier by James: yeah, 8000 flu deaths in Italy in a whole year. And nearly 8000 coronavirus deaths in Italy in like 20 days. Just the same, right? Anyway, for updates: 475,000 cases. 21000 deaths. Prince Charles infected with novel coronavirus. Pray for him.

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Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Reply #1199 on: March 26, 2020, 05:15:39 AM »

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/25/uk-downgrades-covid-19/

Where is the media roar all over the world—blasting out the news that the UK government no longer considers COVID an existential threat to all life on Earth?

No giant headlines indicating that the dominos are now starting to fall in another direction—away from sheer suicidal insanity?

Oh, that’s right, it’s the MEDIA.

The UK government, on its website, announced on March 23, under “Status of COVID-19”:


Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.


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