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Letter of Monks to Pope St. Leo III on the Filioque 807 A.D.
« on: December 10, 2019, 03:27:40 PM »
From: http://www.geocities.ws/trvalentine/orthodox/latinmonks_leoiii.html

The Letter of the Pilgrim Monks Living On Mount Olivet to the Roman Pontiff, Leo III. (Year 807).

The Congregation of Mt. Olivet to our most holy and most reverend lord in Christ and father, Leo, supreme pontiff and universal pope of the holy apostolic see of the city of Rome.

Lord Father, the Lord has deigned to exalt you above all priests, and your holy see is exalted above all Christian sees. To you Christ has deigned to say from his mouth, "Thou art Peter" (Matt. 16:18), etc. Most benign Father, we strangers who are living in the holy city of Jerusalem, love no man on earth more than you, and as much as possible in these holy places, we your servants, prostrate on the ground with tears, pour forth our prayers to the Lord day and night on your behalf. Accordingly, we are informing you of the tribulation which we are suffering here. John, who was from the monastery of St. Sabbas, whom your servant, Iguminus Thedulus knows, is raised above us, saying that the Franks who are on Mt. Olivet are heretics. He also said to us that all you Franks are heretics, and he reproved our faith by saying that it is no better than heresy. And we said to him: "Brother, be silent. Because if you call us heretics, you are calling the holy, apostolic See heretical."

And he disturbed us so much that on the day of the birth of our Lord, in the holy place in holy Bethlehem, where our Lord the Redeemer of the human race deigned to be born for the salvation of the world, he sent laymen who wanted to throw us out, saying "You are heretics and the books which you have are heretical." But through your holy prayers and faith the Lord strengthened us. And they were not able to throw us out. We all said: "Here we wish to die, for you will not be able to throw us out." Then all we, your servants, raised our voices and said even to the priests who are in the holy city: "Fathers and brothers, look at this man who says such things and other things against us and against the holy Roman faith, because such things we have never heard about our people."

After this, on the Lord's Day, the priests with other clergy and the people gathered across from the Lord's holy sepulchre, near the holy place of Calvary, and those same priests inquired about our faith concerning the way we say the Creed. We said we believe just as the holy Roman Church does. "We have said and still say in our language what you do not say in Greek. In the Glory to the Father you do not say 'as it was in the beginning,' and in the Glory to God in the Highest you do not say, 'Thou alone art most High.' You recite the Our Father differently, and in the Creed we say more than you, 'Who proceeds from the Father and the Son,' because of which words that John, an enemy of his own soul, says that we are heretics."

We begged the men of Jerusalem saying: "Do not listen to this man, and do not accuse us of heresy. If you say that we are heretics, you impute heresy to the throne of Blessed Peter, and if you say that, you lead yourselves into sin." The priests wrote us a letter about our faith, about what we should believe. They said to us, "Do you believe just as the Church of the Holy Resurrection of the Lord does?" We said that we believe the same as the Holy Resurrection of the Lord and the Holy Apostolic Roman See. Then the archdeacon in St. Constantine's went up to the prominent place with us and read the letter to the people. All of us, your servants, anathematized every heresy and all who accused the Holy Apostolic Roman See of heresy. And now, lord and most benign Father, deign to think about us, your servants, who are your sheep although we are far away. The whole world has been entrusted to you, as your holiness knows, for the Lord said to Peter, "If you love me, Peter, feed my sheep" (Jn. 21:16). Most benign father, while I, your servant Leo, was in your holy presence, and in the devout presence of your son, the most pious Emperor lord Charles, we heard it said in his chapel in the Creed of the faith "who proceeds from the Father and the Son." And in the homilies of St. Gregory, which your son the Emperor lord Charles gave us, it says in the sermons for the octave of Easter, "But his sending forth is his procession; he proceeds from the Father and the Son." And in the rule of St. Benedict, which your son lord Charles gave us, and which contains the faith about the Holy and inseparable Trinity, it says, "I believe that the Holy Spirit is true God, proceeding from the Father and the Son." And in the dialogue, which your holiness deigned to give us, it says the same thing.

And so a great confusion has been created among us in the holy city by that same John, since he says that the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Father and the Son. Thus, he spread a great error through all the monasteries. He demanded our profession of faith and our books, saying that lord Gregory's books must not be accepted. Whence, holy Father, again and again we ask and beseech you, prostrate on the ground with tears, through the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is called one inseparable Trinity, that you deign to search out both in Greek as well as in Latin the holy Fathers who composed the Creed concerning that phrase where it is said: "Who proceeds from the rather and the Son." In Greek they do not say as we do, but rather they say: "Who proceeds from the rather," and they view that phrase which we say in Latin as a serious matter. Deign to give an order to your son the Emperor lord Charles because we heard the words "Who proceeds from the Father and the Son" in his chapel. Deign to inform us, your -servants here, since no form of this mystery seems as pleasant to us as your holy countenance and holy prayer and your intercession or remembrance. Whence, most benign Father, we beg of your most holy piety that you would deign to receive favorably the priest John as also these your servants, who, governed by God, have come to the dignity of your office, and direct us, your servants, with a definite order. Dominic, Theodore, Arimund, Gregory, John, Leo and the entire congregation of holy Mt. Olivet commend themselves, ' your servants, to your sacred prayers which are worthy of God. May the Lord our God, who is said to be blessed unto all ages, deign to rule over and protect you, most holy Father, and all who are with you, and may he guard you in everything, through everything, by his holy mercy, for the exaltation of his holy Church, for the salvation of your soul, and for our joy.
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Pope St. Leo III on the Filioque: Epistola XV. In PL 102:1030C-1031B.
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2019, 03:42:24 PM »
Pope St. Leo III (Pope of Rome from 795 A.D. to 816 A.D.) confessed the unchanging Faith of the Roman Church, just as his predecessors Pope St. Damasus and Pope St. Leo the Great, not to mention Pope St. Gregory the Great, all unanimously and unchangingly, had confessed it centuries before. Just as Patriarch St. Cyril of Alexandria had confessed it with 5 Ecumenical Councils approving, as Patriarch St. Athanasius of Alexandria had confessed it in his Creed, and as at least 15 Greek Fathers and 15 Latin Fathers beside the 5 Ecumenical Councils have taught it. All this was before the time of Patriarch Photius and his condemnation in the Eighth Ecumenical Council (869-807 A.D. see https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/const4.asp). Till then, the Roman Church always professed that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son in doctrine; but did not see any need to profess it in the Creed, as long as it was not denied, in saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, that the the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father by and through the generation of the Son. According to the equally Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II, and the profession of Patriarch St. Tarasius of Constantinople, on behalf of the Greek Church, indeed of the Universal Church, as mentioned in the more recent combined Greek and Latin theological study, "This aspect of the Trinitarian mystery was confessed at the seventh Ecumenical council, meeting at Nicaea in 787, by the Patriarch of Constantinople, St Tarasius, who developed the Symbol as follows: "to Pneuma to agion, to kurion kai zwopoion, to ek tou Patros dia tou Uiou ... the spiration of the Spirit from the Father takes place by and through (the two senses of dia in Greek) the generation of the Son, to which it gives its Trinitarian character", the spiration of the Spirit from the Father through the Son is co-eternal with the generation of the Son. Source

Now, onto Pope Leo III. I have found the letter of his online in Latin here: http://mlat.uzh.ch/MLS/xfromcc.php?tabelle=Leo_III_cps2&rumpfid=Leo_III_cps2,%20Epistolae%202,%20%2015&id=Leo_III_cps2,%20Epistolae%202,%20%2015&level=&corpus=2&current_title=Epistolae%202

Hoc symbolum orthodoxae fidei vobis mittimus, ut tam vos quam omnis mundus secundum Romanam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam rectam et inviolatam teneatis fidem. Credimus sanctam Trinitatem, id est, Patrem, Filium, et Spiritum Sanctum, unum Deum omnipotentem, unius substantiae, (1031A) unius essentiae, unius potestatis, creatorem omnium creaturarum, a quo omnia, per quem omnia, in quo omnia: Patrem a seipso, non ab alio; Filium a Patre genitum, Deum verum de Deo vero, lumen verum de lumine vero, non tamen duo lumina, sed unum lumen; Spiritum sanctum a Patre et a Filio aequaliter procedentem, consubstantialem, coaeternum Patri et Filio. Pater plenus Deus in se, Filius plenus Deus a Patre genitus, Spiritus sanctus plenus Deus a Patre et Filio procedens. Non tamen tres Deos dicimus, sed unum Deum omnipotentem, aeternum, invisibilem, iucommutabilem, qui totus est ubique praesens, non per partes divisus, sed totus in omnibus, non localiter, sed personaliter, qui sine commutatione sui mutabilia creavit et creata gubernat, (1031B) ...

My Translation [may be a bit rough]: This is the Symbol of Orthodox Faith which has been sent to you, and that the whole world in accordance with the holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, rightly and inviolately holds. We believe in the Holy Trinity, Who IS, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One Almighty God, One Substance

1031 A: One Essence, One Power, the Creator of all creatures, from Whom are all things, through Whom are all things, in Whom are all things: The Father is of Himself, of no other; The Son is of the Father alone, true God of true God, true Light of true Light, and they are not Two Lights, but One Light; The Holy Spirit proceeds equally from the Father and the Son, Consubstantial, Co-Eternal with the Father and the Son. The Father is Complete God in Himself, the Son is Complete God begotten of the Father, the Holy Spirit is Complete God proceeding from the Father and the Son. And They are not three gods, but One Almighty God, Invisible, Uncountable, Who is wholly present everywhere, not divided into parts, Who is wholly in all, not locally, but personally, Who beyond measure and without change creates and governs all creatures.

1031 B: ..."

Thoughts? Is it not clear from all this that Rome, the Popes, the Patriarchs, the Councils etc taught the spiration of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son long before the end of the first millenium? Why then do the Greeks persist in hatred of the Latins and in a stubborn and obstinate refusal to return to Catholic Faith and Catholic Communion?
To understand God's Plan for Humanity, and how He has provided the means by which we can minimize the Coming Great Tribulation, read: https://maryrefugeofholylove.com/

Offer your Life to Jesus and Mary: TEXT OF THE LIFE OFFERING, adapted: Dear Lord Jesus, before the Holy Trinity, Our Heavenly Mother, and the whole Heavenly Court, united with Your most Precious Blood and Your Sacrifice on Calvary, We hereby Offer our whole Lives to the Intention of Your Sacred Heart and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Together with our life, we place at Your disposal all Holy Masses, all our Holy Communions, all Rosaries, all acts of consecration, all our good deeds, all our sacrifices, and the suffering of our entire life for the Adoration and Supplication of the Holy Trinity, for Unity in our Holy Mother Church, for the Holy Father, Pope Francis the First; and for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. For His Eminence Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, His Excellency Metropolitan Hilarion, as well as His Eminence Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople, that they may re-unite their flocks with the Roman Catholic Church, and there may soon be but One Fold and One Shepherd. For all the 220+ Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, for all 6000+ Bishops of the Universal Church that they may be true Apostles and Shepherds; and for the 400,000+ Priests, the 700,000+ Nuns, 50,000+ Monks, 100,000+ seminarians, that they may all become the Saints the Divine Will wishes them to be; for all the 1.35 Billion Members of the Church, the Millions of Catholic Catechumens and Children to be born and baptized in this Decade; we pray for good Priestly and Religious Vocations, for All Lay Apostolates, and All Souls until the end of the world. O my Jesus, please accept our life Sacrifice and our offerings and give us Your grace that we may all persevere obediently until death. Amen." https://marianapostolate.com/life-offering/

"Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix of the world, pray for us" [Promise: 1000 Souls from Purgatory]"This short prayer, this insistent prayer, every time it is said, sets free from Purgatory 1000 Souls, who reach the Eternal Joy, the Eternal Light"(!). http://www.jesusmariasite.org/jesus-pray-my-children-that-the-fifth-marian-dogma-be-proclaimed/