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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2019, 01:08:45 PM »
It wasn't until much later that Latin became regarded as a 'sacred language'.
Hebrew, Greek, and Latin have been sacred languages since when they were nailed to the Cross (Jn. 19:20).

This is a folkloric belief.

Latin became sacred because of its use by the Church in her rites. The same with Greek and Old Church Slavonic in the East. Hebrew fell out of use.

Any vernacular language can become sacred if the Church uses it.
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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2019, 05:51:12 PM »
It wasn't until much later that Latin became regarded as a 'sacred language'.
Hebrew, Greek, and Latin have been sacred languages since when they were nailed to the Cross (Jn. 19:20).

This is a folkloric belief.
St. Thomas Aquinas writes, John 19 lect. 4 [2422]:
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hae tres linguae prae ceteris eminebant
these three languages were the most widely known
more literally: "these three tongues stand out / have a higher dignity before the others
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hae tres gentes sibi dignitatem vindicant in cruce Christi
these three tongues[/peoples] assumed a certain dignity by being associated with the cross of Christ.
 
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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2019, 05:55:44 PM »
Any vernacular language can become sacred if the Church uses it.
Language isn't solely about utility, though. The great Latinist Christine Mohrmann makes this point in her Liturgical Latin: Its Origins and Character: Three Lectures.
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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2019, 03:56:50 AM »
Anglican have frequently used latin in public and private worship.There are two versions of the old (official) 1662 Book of Common Prayer; Liber precum publicarum and another one ( I cannot remember the the title). I remember buying an old copy of the former, bound with a latin Vulgate Bible to enable the owner to recite Matins and Evensong entirely in latin. The University Church in Oxford has a termly Communion service in Latin.  I see that a traditional Catholic publisher has re-printed  Dr F.Brittain's little book LATIN IN CHURCH; he was a very keen Anglican.
 
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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2019, 02:09:01 PM »
The Latin used liturgically cannot be seen as the ordinary tongue of the common man. The Roman Canon draws various on the Gospel, Jewish use, Roman Temple prayer and political ceremonial language. It was more understandable, but it had a stature to it that NOM banality wholly lacks. Even Protestant services, the Book of Common Prayer and KJV used a hieratic form of language, a more formal sort of English. Later good many underwent liturgical updating which drew upon, or was contemporary with the changes which came after and during V2. The resulting dreary gospellers of social justice, have done even worse than Conciliar Catholicism. I'm not sure Common Worship, or whichever Anglicans use, will ever be held with similar affection to that given to the BCP. The banal, middling language of the New Order of Mass, that ICEL slab of biege, is something quite different in that there is there little sacral or authoritative about it.
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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2019, 03:01:47 PM »
Absolutely right. The language of the old Anglican Prayer Book  (as the Latin of the Traditional Mass) the old King James Version and the Douay Bible had a rhythm,majesty and a memorable quality about them.
Fr John Hunwicke's blog - if you search - has interesting posts about Latin as a liturgical language for Anglicans and its use in Oxford.
 
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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2019, 04:25:22 PM »
Also, what does the OP think about the Anglican Ordinariate?

I find that the Anglican Ordinariate tends to have a great spirit to their cause, and has a truly legitimate liturgical tradition; they have many good Priests who are way more educated in theology and tradition than a typical normie Diocesan Priest.
In fact, one Priest of the Ordinariate, recently and infamously, got the sack because he said all the post-Vatican II Popes have denied Christ like Peter did.

Anglican Ordinariate Mass:


And several of their prayer books, which are Anglican based, seem pretty dope.


https://www.ignatius.com/St-Gregorys-Prayer-Book-P3228.aspx

http://andrewespress.com/the-monastic-diurnal?ReturnUrl=LwA%3D
http://absnospin.blogspot.com/2011/11/monastic-diurnal-lancelot-andrewes-vs.html

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Re: Anglicans hate Latin like the Modernists.
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2019, 04:28:38 PM »
What I wouldn't kill for it to be the case that some Pope in the future, if not putting in place the Tridentine Mass as default, at the very least revises the Novus Ordo to conform to the liturgical norms of the Anglican Ordinariate (obviously not replacing Gregorian Chant with Anglican Chant, but kicking to the curb "extraordinary ministers," getting rid of "participation" by removing the laity from handling the gifts, saying their own politically charged prayers, or doing the readings, ad-orientem, forbidding music other than chant, mandatory incense, etc.).
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