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Finger and thumb position for the latin mass
« on: October 24, 2019, 02:33:35 AM »
I am under the impression that in the TLM during the canon/consecration, the priest keeps the thumb and index fingers of both hands together throughout the entirety of the canon/consecration so as to only touch the host with them?  Meaning, if a priest were to be elevating the chalice with his thumb and index finger not together, but instead placed on the chalice, he would be doing something unusual, and something not proscribed in the rubrics.  Is that correct?
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Re: Finger and thumb position for the latin mass
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2019, 06:50:21 AM »
Yes, that is correct.
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Re: Finger and thumb position for the latin mass
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2019, 12:18:05 PM »
If you look at this latest sspx brochure, you will see Fr. Pagliarani elevating the chalice in full liturgical vestment without his finger and thumb together, but instead placed on the chalice. 

https://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/usa-district/pdf/estate_planning_2019_brochure.pdf?mc_cid=81e3c2368f&mc_eid=015efd6ba3
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Re: Finger and thumb position for the latin mass
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2019, 12:27:54 PM »
If you look at this latest sspx brochure, you will see Fr. Pagliarani elevating the chalice in full liturgical vestment without his finger and thumb together, but instead placed on the chalice. 

https://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/usa-district/pdf/estate_planning_2019_brochure.pdf?mc_cid=81e3c2368f&mc_eid=015efd6ba3

The priest does that before the Consecration, during The Offertory. Once he consecrates the bread with the words Hoc Est Enim Corpus Meum, from that point until he washes his fingers again after distributing holy communion, his thumb and index finger of both hands remain together.
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Re: Finger and thumb position for the latin mass
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2019, 12:51:32 PM »
If you look at this latest sspx brochure, you will see Fr. Pagliarani elevating the chalice in full liturgical vestment without his finger and thumb together, but instead placed on the chalice. 

https://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/usa-district/pdf/estate_planning_2019_brochure.pdf?mc_cid=81e3c2368f&mc_eid=015efd6ba3

The priest does that before the Consecration, during The Offertory. Once he consecrates the bread with the words Hoc Est Enim Corpus Meum, from that point until he washes his fingers again after distributing holy communion, his thumb and index finger of both hands remain together.

Correct.

Here are the rubrics:

   
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5. When the water has been poured into the Chalice and the aforementioned prayer has been completed, the Priest picks up the uncovered Chalice with his right hand. Standing before the middle of the Altar, holding it elevated with both hands, that is, with the left hand holding the foot and the right hand holding the node below the cup, with his eyes directed toward God, he offers it, saying:

P: Offerimus tibi, Domine, calicem salutaris tuam deprecantes clementiam: ut in conspectu divinae majestatis tuae, pro nostra et totius mundi salute cum odore suavitatis ascendat. Amen.
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Re: Finger and thumb position for the latin mass
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2019, 04:04:18 PM »
If you look at this latest sspx brochure, you will see Fr. Pagliarani elevating the chalice in full liturgical vestment without his finger and thumb together, but instead placed on the chalice. 

https://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/usa-district/pdf/estate_planning_2019_brochure.pdf?mc_cid=81e3c2368f&mc_eid=015efd6ba3

It's clearly the Offertory, as you can tell by the fact that someone is standing right beside him (and his fingers aren't joined), as well as the fact that the chalice is being held at eye level.