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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #240 on: October 13, 2019, 02:07:23 PM »
You need to spend more time reading rulings instead of coming on here and being sententious.

Oh, but of course, nobody else here is sententious. It's not like we had a 400 post thread about whether it's moral to bring children to Mass.
 

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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #241 on: October 13, 2019, 04:02:37 PM »
You need to spend more time reading rulings instead of coming on here and being sententious.

Oh, but of course, nobody else here is sententious. It's not like we had a 400 post thread about whether it's moral to bring children to Mass.

Are you Catholic and were you denigrating a perceived modus vivendi of the Catholics here all the while giving tacit support of a clearly mutinous individual?
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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #242 on: October 26, 2019, 08:24:08 PM »
An excellent presentation about the life and works of Al-Ghazali, the famous Hujjut ul-Islam, by Dr. Abdal Hakim Murad with his usual sober demeanor and precise language.

A must-see for anyone interested in Islamic philosophy.


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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #243 on: October 26, 2019, 08:39:49 PM »
You need to spend more time reading rulings instead of coming on here and being sententious.

Oh, but of course, nobody else here is sententious. It's not like we had a 400 post thread about whether it's moral to bring children to Mass.

Are you Catholic and were you denigrating a perceived modus vivendi of the Catholics here all the while giving tacit support of a clearly mutinous individual?

1. I don't know what I am. I was born and raised Catholic, Roman Rite. But I don't know. I'm certainly a schismatic by any Church's standards, though, whether that's Catholicism or Orthodoxy or Oriental Orthodoxy, and I'm not canonically regular in any of these institutions.
2. I am denigrating a perceived modus vivendi, because a 400 long post about the morality of bringing children to Mass, started by a person castigating Catholics for bringing children to Mass, is absolutely retarded and a waste of life that could be spent doing anything else that's beneficial. What, when people are literally worshipping the golden calf, you are going to complain that Moses's tablets aren't made of marble and thus not authoritative?
3. Vetus is mutinous, but he's just as lost as you guys are. What makes me not want to be a part of Roman Catholicism outside of my own childhood sentiment / attachment to the beauty of the Liturgical West, as well as how fascinating Thomism is, is how logically inconsistent it is to recognize the Pope as the Pope but ignore his Ordinary Magisterium, which is protected by the Holy Spirit. I don't want to live that logical inconsistency - you guys are fine with it, I can't stand it. Neither can Vetus.
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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #244 on: October 27, 2019, 02:11:18 AM »
Referring to your last post, TROL,
The Church herself is illogical.  That's the point.  She doesn't know whether she's coming or going.  Even BXVI cannot reconcile V2 with Tradition; words fail him in the attempt because the very language of modernism (i.e., V2) is irreconcilable with the language and principles that define the permanent deposit of faith. 

The hierarchy makes fools of themselves trying to square circles and shining the laity and the secular world on.

I don't have any logical problem avoiding the illogical.
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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #245 on: October 27, 2019, 02:23:00 PM »
Referring to your last post, TROL,
The Church herself is illogical.  That's the point.  She doesn't know whether she's coming or going.  Even BXVI cannot reconcile V2 with Tradition; words fail him in the attempt because the very language of modernism (i.e., V2) is irreconcilable with the language and principles that define the permanent deposit of faith. 

The hierarchy makes fools of themselves trying to square circles and shining the laity and the secular world on.

I don't have any logical problem avoiding the illogical.
 :)

And God bless you for that. It's a gift when one can accept they can't know everything; even though I know this, I do everything to try to know everything, and when something is too illogical for me, it drives me up the wall (nobody can live without some compartmentalization or dissonance; it's a lie if someone suggests otherwise).

Orthodoxy is not perfect in its logical consistency (as if Pope Leo didn't claim Papal jurisdictional authority, the East didn't know who Saint Augustine was, or Saint Gregory the Dialogist's very clearly Western theology including Purgatory and the Filioque), but at the same time, when it's something so fundamental like a major issue of morality such as idolatry, heterodox worship, Infidelic worship, the status of the Old Covenant, or even just the way one ought to worship God; I can't stand it; I can't compartmentalize it, because it's thrown at me every single day how I'm accepting contradiction whenever I have to hear about Pope Francis from any secular or Catholic media - even Sedevacantist media.

Just the fact that I know Mortalium Animos and Unitatis Redintegratio were produced by the same, infallible Magisterium drives me up the wall; same with how the Pope expressly condemned Pentecostalism for being at odds with a fundamental Christian ethos, but Paul the VI the Great suddenly endorses it and says it's wonderful.
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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #246 on: October 27, 2019, 11:26:34 PM »
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It's a gift when one can accept they can't know everything; even though I know this, I do everything to try to know everything, and when something is too illogical for me, it drives me up the wall (nobody can live without some compartmentalization or dissonance; it's a lie if someone suggests otherwise).

There are so many parts of Christianity that are incomprehensible to us (read: don't make sense) and yet by nature of being Christian we accept these incomprehensible things and are fine with them.  The Trinity, the nature of Jesus, eternal God dying, predestination, so many seemingly evil and contradictory things in the OT, the existence of evil, God the merciful Father and the existence of eternal hell, the divinely inspired nature of Scripture and its seeming errors, and so on so forth.  Sure we can conjure up distinctions upon distinctions to try and glimpse at how these make sense, but none of that is concrete such as two and two making four is.  Yet as Christians we all believe these things and are fine with it.  To be crass an atheist might smirk that you've swallowed all that but now the shenanigans with Fran Fran are a bridge too far.  In reality its just that its the latest new incomprehensible thing and given that its happening now during your life rather than 2,000 years ago, it seems that much more hard to accept.

But this is not just a matter of religion.  I can puzzle over from where my ideas come forth until my puzzler falls off and still have no clue what an idea is or from where it comes, and where it goes once it is forgotten.  Or what exactly I am and how it is that I have these ideas in my mind, or what a mind even is.  And don't even get me started on free will.  Reality is so blindingly complex that it is utterly impossible for us to grasp it.  We can glean off the surface basic reality, and if we mine it a little we can find out some new interesting gems right beneath the surface, but as we drill deeper into our quest for understanding reality we quickly become utterly baffled.  It is not just philosophy / metaphysics where this occurs either, for we see it in physics with the total mystery of quantum mechanics.  Sure we can model some interesting things there and use it for some practical purposes, but why the particles do as they do and how it is at all possible for this to be the way reality is is mindblowing.

Christianity is not about the intellect.  Blessed are not the smart for they'll figure it all out.  It is about faith.  It is about trusting in another (Jesus) that despite it all, this all makes sense, and that He is there for us as long as we turn to Him.  Christianity is not a scholarly probe to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.  It's about living the life with the Spirit inside of you.
 

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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #247 on: October 29, 2019, 10:32:23 AM »
Here's an interesting lecture by Sheikh Muhammad Yasin about the life of the famous Andalusian scholar Ibn Arabi, a towering albeit controversial figure of Islamic mysticism and philosophy.

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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #248 on: October 29, 2019, 03:19:25 PM »
Here's an interesting song by Bugs and Daffy.  Sing along if you know the words.

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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #249 on: October 29, 2019, 05:08:51 PM »
Here's an interesting song by Bugs and Daffy.  Sing along if you know the words.


I gleaned so much from this, thank you.
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Re: Muhammad: A Mercy to the Worlds?
« Reply #250 on: November 03, 2019, 02:42:36 PM »
Let's get back to adult conversation.

Here's an entertaining talk by Dr. Jonathan Brown on the subject of slavery in Islam. Overall, I believe Dr. Brown does a decent presentation of the theme, although there are parts here and there where he doesn't explore it to the fullest and where dodges a few questions, especially regarding the rights over slaves taken in war. Still, it's worth watching for those interested in the subject of slavery and religion.

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