Author Topic: '17 can. 2319 §1: Marriage before non-Catholic minister excommunicable offense‽  (Read 185 times)

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1917 Code can. 2319:
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§ 1. Subsunt excommunicationi latae sententiae Ordinario reservatae catholici:     1°. Qui matrimonium ineunt coram ministro acatholico contra praescriptum can. 1063, § 1;

§ 1. The following Catholics are excommunicated latae sententiae reserved to the Ordinary:     1°. Who contract marriage before a non-Catholic minister against can. 1063, § 1;
can. 1063, § 1 says:
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Etsi ab Ecclesia obtenta sit dispensatio super impedimento mixtae religionis, coniuges nequeunt, vel ante vel post matrimonium coram Eccclesia initum, adire quoque, sive per se sive per procuratorem, ministrum acatholicum uti sacris addictum, ad matrimonialem consensum praestandum vel renovandum.

Although a dispensation from the above impediment of mixed religioun has been obtained from the Church, the spouses cannot, either before or after the marriage entered into in the present of the Church, also go, personally or through a procurator, to a non-Catholic minister as [if to] one in ministry, in order to offer or renew matrimonial consent.
I couldn't find anything in the '83 Code saying Catholics attempting marriage in front of a non-Catholic minister incur latę sententię excommunication.

Is it no longer an excommunicable offense? If so, why?

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Think: "Vatican II" decree on Ecumenism, "Unitatis Redintegratio"
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Unitatis Redintegratio
One of the worst V2 docs. Even the title denies the Church's unity.

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Why, according to the 1917 Code, is marrying in front a non-Catholic minister excommunicable, but simply not marrying in front of a Catholic priest (clandestine marriage) isn't. Is it because associating with a non-Catholic minister in this way is a form of apostasy?

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Why, according to the 1917 Code, is marrying in front a non-Catholic minister excommunicable, but simply not marrying in front of a Catholic priest (clandestine marriage) isn't. Is it because associating with a non-Catholic minister in this way is a form of apostasy?

Does every mortal sin against the requirements of faith necessarily imply apostasy: "the complete and voluntary abandonment of the Christian religion" (Catholic Encyclopedia)? I don't think that is right. Someone might apostatize in order to marry a protestant; but alternately they might disobey the Church in a matter of faith without repudiating it.  They might even believe all the same things that they did before.

I don't know Canon Law but obviously marrying before a non-Catholic minister is a positive acceptance of a function of a non-Catholic religion in place of a Catholic Sacrament, not just omitting something required for a Catholic. It makes sense that they would have separate penalties (like participating in a protestant service vs. missing Mass).
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