Author Topic: Slyke, “Abstinence from Conjugal Relations Before Reception of Body of ☧” (2016)  (Read 937 times)

Offline Maximilian

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It's curious how this ancient penitential practice of sexual abstinence for a few days before taking communion clashes head on with the modern practice and emphasis on daily communion for the laity.

Yes. Which demonstrates that "modern practice" was attacking "ancient penitential practice" long before Vatican II. The history of disastrous changes to Catholic doctrine and practice which then cause catastrophic results goes back much farther than 1962.

Sometimes situations like this remind me of the car stuck in the tree in "Jurassic Park." First it slips a little bit, then it slips a little bit more, then it looks like its going to come crashing down but it stops just short, then finally it crashes through all the remaining restraints right straight to the bottom.
 
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Wow, an analogy that connects a car slipping in Jurrasic Park and the state of the Church, now I've seen it all!

Is you-know-who the dinosaur the spits upon them all? 

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Which demonstrates that "modern practice" was attacking "ancient penitential practice" long before Vatican II. The history of disastrous changes to Catholic doctrine and practice which then cause catastrophic results goes back much farther than 1962.
Are you claiming Pope St. Pius X introduced "disastrous changes to Catholic doctrine and practice"‽

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Yes, this "disastrous change" highly recommended by the Catechism of the Council of  Trent.
http://catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/Holy7Sacraments-Eucharist.shtml
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The Church Desires The Faithful To Communicate Daily
However, let not the faithful imagine that it is enough to receive the body of the Lord once a year only, in obedience to the decree of the Church. They should approach oftener; but whether monthly, weekly, or daily, cannot be decided by any fixed universal rule. St. Augustine, however, lays down a most certain norm: Live in such a manner as to be able to receive every day.
It will therefore be the duty of the pastor frequently to admonish the faithful that, as they deem it necessary to afford daily nutriment to the body, they should also feel solicitous to feed and nourish the soul every day with this heavenly food. It is clear that the soul stands not less in need of spiritual, than the body of corporal food. Here it will be found most useful to recall the inestimable and divine advantages which, as we have already shown, flow from sacramental Communion. It will be well also to refer to the manna, which was a figure (of this Sacrament), and which refreshed the bodily powers every day. The Fathers who earnestly recommended the frequent reception of this Sacrament may also be cited. The words of St. Augustine, Thou sinnest daily, receive daily, express not his opinion only, but that of all the Fathers who have written on the subject, as anyone may easily discover who will carefully read them.
That there was a time when the faithful approached Holy Communion every day we learn from the Acts of the Apostles. All who then professed the faith of Christ burned with such true and sincere charity that, devoting themselves to prayer and other works of piety, they were found prepared to communicate daily. This devout practice, which seems to have been interrupted for a time, was again partially revived by the holy Pope and martyr Anacletus, who commanded that all the ministers who assisted at the Sacrifice of the Mass should communicate, ­an ordinance, as the Pontiff declares, of Apostolic institution. It was also for a long time the practice of the Church that, as soon as the Sacrifice was complete, and when the priest himself had communicated, he turned to the congregation and invited the faithful to the Holy Table in these words: Come, brethren, and receive Communion; and thereupon those who were prepared, advanced to receive the holy mysteries with the most fervent devotion.
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Which demonstrates that "modern practice" was attacking "ancient penitential practice" long before Vatican II. The history of disastrous changes to Catholic doctrine and practice which then cause catastrophic results goes back much farther than 1962.
Are you claiming Pope St. Pius X introduced "disastrous changes to Catholic doctrine and practice"‽

Yes I am.

Not only him, but his changes were certainly some of the most disastrous.
 
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His Office revisions were certainly cavalier in respect of what had gone before. If Pius X could make radical changes to one side of the Church's liturgy, what couldn't Paul VI change the other side? The astrology loving Urban VIII had made additions which did not stand the test of time, but not as substantial as those of the Sainted Pope.
Padre Pio: Pray, hope, and don't worry. Worry is useless. God is merciful and will hear your prayer.
 
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astrology loving Urban VIII
Why do you say he loved astrology?

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astrology loving Urban VIII
Why do you say he loved astrology?

Urban VIII issued a bull against using it in 1631, at least to predict the deaths of Popes and princes, re-iterating too the condemnation by Sixtus V of using it in a political or legal sphere, yet employed as astrologer Tommaso Campanella, a renegade monk of odd opinions and had him cast horoscopes on Cardinals and it is claimed both Pope and astrologer carried out an astrological rite (one reference, but there are probably better if I can look for longer).
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