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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2019, 07:29:39 PM »
To whom is this manifesto addressed? It was dated 10 January 2019. Why is it only now public?
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2019, 07:48:34 PM »
This is the most positive news to come out of Rome in 50 years. Wonder how long he has left. He bascially called the Pope an Anti-Christ.
 
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2019, 10:31:33 PM »
He bascially called the Pope an Anti-Christ.
Yes:
Quote from: Cdl. Müller
To keep silent about these and the other truths of the Faith and to teach people accordingly is the greatest deception against which the Catechism vigorously warns. It represents the last trial of the Church and leads man to a religious delusion, “the price of their apostasy” (CCC 675); it is the fraud of Antichrist. “He will deceive those who are lost by all means of injustice; for they have closed themselves to the love of the truth by which they should be saved” (2 Thess 2:10).

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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2019, 10:33:18 PM »
He writes at the beginning:
Quote from: Müller
According to John Paul II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a “safe standard for the doctrine of the faith” (Fidei Depositum IV).
(cf. "Is the New Catechism Catholic")I wonder why he's using it as the sole reference of his "quasi-correction"/"manifesto".

I didn't think Cardinal Müller was a traditionalist but a "Pope John Paul II yes/Pope Francis" no conservative. And he doesn't like the SSPX so the article you linked to wouldn't impress him.  It's no wonder he uses the CCC.

Maybe I'm being a bad traditionalist, but I've used parts of the CCC that are Catholic (according to what I know) to argue against someone who supports Pope Francis and Amoris Laetitia.  It's a big step (a kind of stepping-stool) in the right direction away from Pope Francis' heresy. It's a realistic step that some people are willing to make before they consider abandoning all recent Popes.
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2019, 10:35:55 PM »
Maybe I'm being a bad traditionalist, but I've used parts of the CCC that are Catholic (according to what I know) to argue against someone who supports Pope Francis and Amoris Laetitia.  It's a big step (a kind of stepping-stool) in the right direction away from Pope Francis' heresy. It's a realistic step that some people are willing to make before they consider abandoning all recent Popes.
Using their poison against them like a Benedictine. :) Ipsa venena bibas.
 
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2019, 10:48:48 PM »
He bascially called the Pope an Anti-Christ.
Yes:
Quote from: Cdl. Müller
To keep silent about these and the other truths of the Faith and to teach people accordingly is the greatest deception against which the Catechism vigorously warns. It represents the last trial of the Church and leads man to a religious delusion, “the price of their apostasy” (CCC 675); it is the fraud of Antichrist. “He will deceive those who are lost by all means of injustice; for they have closed themselves to the love of the truth by which they should be saved” (2 Thess 2:10).

Maybe he thinks Pope Francis seems like an anti-Christ, but Pope John Paul II is still great.

That's a bit of a worry - that Francis is deposed and we go back to Novus Ordo land as usual (or with a vengeance).  But it is still important to fight Francis' teaching; even if there is no valid way to depose him we can much more strongly denounce him.
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2019, 11:34:02 PM »
Thank You Jesus. It's so good to see Prelates and Hierarchs in the Church behave as true Apostles and Shepherds. The Church triumphed over so many ancient errors, and will ultimately overcome all modern ones also. God bless Cardinal Mueller for this public testimony to Christ and to the Truths of the Catholic Faith. Salvation is in Christ alone. Horrible heresies that deny His Divinity are not willed by Him.
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 05:06:56 AM »
Simple. Straight. Excellent.

Everything neo-Modernism ain't.
 
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2019, 02:46:49 PM »
Everything neo-Modernism ain't.
Yes, perhaps he's converted from Modernism to Catholicism. He was trained under Lehman, who was a student of Rahner.
 
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2019, 06:33:14 PM »
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2019, 07:37:59 PM »
I tried to find a PDF version of just the Manifesto by itself, but the link from LifeSiteNews didn't work.  But here's the Manifesto by itself on one website: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/manifesto-of-faith-3978.  (Of course the other info on LifeSiteNews was also important).
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2019, 07:54:42 PM »
Yeah here's the petition to sign if you want to support Cardinal Müller's doctrinal manifesto.

https://lifepetitions.com/petition/sign-cardinal-mullers-manifesto-of-faith
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2019, 03:13:55 AM »
I am tired of all the 'doctrinal correction this' and 'apostolic letter that'. Wake me up when the Asteroid of Doom approaches.
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Re: Cardinal Mueller issues a Manifesto of Doctrinal Correction
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2019, 08:58:51 AM »
Maybe I'm being a bad traditionalist, but I've used parts of the CCC that are Catholic (according to what I know) to argue against someone who supports Pope Francis and Amoris Laetitia.  It's a big step (a kind of stepping-stool) in the right direction away from Pope Francis' heresy. It's a realistic step that some people are willing to make before they consider abandoning all recent Popes.
Using their poison against them like a Benedictine. :) Ipsa venena bibas.

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