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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2019, 08:04:45 PM »
Islam is satanic and is from the pit of Hell. Muslims worship Satan because Allah is Satan and Muslims are demon possessed just like Mohammad was demon possessed.

Easy there, Kopsho. Your trolling is getting out of hand.

Get your facts straight.

"But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day." (Lumen Gentium, 16).

"The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting." (Nostra Aetate, 3)

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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2019, 11:07:19 PM »
Islam is satanic and is from the pit of Hell. Muslims worship Satan because Allah is Satan and Muslims are demon possessed just like Mohammad was demon possessed.

Easy there, Kopsho. Your trolling is getting out of hand.

Get your facts straight.

"But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day." (Lumen Gentium, 16).

"The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting." (Nostra Aetate, 3)

Lumen Gentium is just a good guide to what is not. Hildeband writing a diplomatic letter to a potential ransacker of Rome isn't evidence of theological standing.

Lumen Gentium is not simply a diplomatic letter of Hildebrand. Rather, it's an official document of Vatican II. The Council, mind you, that had the most attendance in the whole history of the Church.

It is part of the magisterium of the Church whether one likes it or not.
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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2019, 01:24:30 AM »
"My personal position on Vatican II is the exact same position as the one held by Pope Benedict XVI. So if you call me a Rad-Trad, you call him a Rad-Trad, and if you call me a Liberal, you call him a Liberal. Ironically, I know people who will call him both. My position on Vatican II is exactly this. I embrace Vatican II as a valid and licit ecumenical council of the Church that was 100% pastoral in nature. This makes Vatican II different from all previous councils, because all previous ecumenical councils were doctrinal in nature, meaning that they utilised the note of infallibility to dogmatically define certain doctrinal teachings of the Church. Vatican II did not do this, which means that it was pastoral and not doctrinal. That does something to Vatican II. It demotes it. Yep, you read that right. I just said Vatican II demoted itself to a “lesser council” than all previous ecumenical councils of the Catholic Church. As a pastoral council (not doctrinal) the Second Vatican Council is subordinate to the First Vatican Council (1869-1870) and the Council of Trent (1545-1563). So on the order of importance, the Council of Trent still reigns supreme, followed by the First Vatican Council as second, and the Second Vatican Council as a distant third. Vatican II is a low council, very low, and it was made so intentionally by the Conciliar Fathers who were present, simply because they chose not to use the note of infallibility with any of the documents they produced.

“In view of the pastoral nature of the Council, it avoided any extraordinary statements of dogmas endowed with the note of infallibility, but it still provided its teaching with the authority of the Ordinary Magisterium which must be accepted with docility according to the mind of the Council concerning the nature and aims of each document.”
(Pope Paul VI, General Audience of 12 January 1966, Pope Paul VI presided over the Second Vatican Council)

“The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living Tradition of the Church, but as an end of Tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of superdogma which takes away the importance of all the rest.”
(Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who later became Pope Benedict XVI, given 13 July 1988, in Santiago, Chile)

https://completechristianity.blog/2018/05/31/my-position-on-vatican-ii/

Oops. I dont think so. Lower than all other councils. The third and least level of magisterium, which is called ordinary, authentic, non-infallible.
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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2019, 09:55:35 AM »
Islam is satanic and is from the pit of Hell. Muslims worship Satan because Allah is Satan and Muslims are demon possessed just like Mohammad was demon possessed.

Easy there, Kopsho. Your trolling is getting out of hand.

Get your facts straight.

"But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day." (Lumen Gentium, 16).

"The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting." (Nostra Aetate, 3)

Lumen Gentium is just a good guide to what is not. Hildeband writing a diplomatic letter to a potential ransacker of Rome isn't evidence of theological standing.

Lumen Gentium is not simply a diplomatic letter of Hildebrand. Rather, it's an official document of Vatican II. The Council, mind you, that had the most attendance in the whole history of the Church.

It is part of the magisterium of the Church whether one likes it or not.

It's rather obvious that Lumen Gentium is not a diplomatic letter, but this notably error riddled V2 document put a selected quotation from diplomatic correspondence of many centuries previous between the Pope and a Mohammadan potentate who could harm the Republic of St Peter and neighbours through piracy and raids, to the service of a syncretic, what is called post V2 'ecumenist,' agenda. Allah of the Mohammadans has a far great resemblance to Satan, who promises sensual, material reward for violence, than God, who offers the spiritual crown of life eternal, and on this earth, many graces, great and small.
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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2019, 02:38:37 PM »
Islam is satanic and is from the pit of Hell. Muslims worship Satan because Allah is Satan and Muslims are demon possessed just like Mohammad was demon possessed.

Easy there, Kopsho. Your trolling is getting out of hand.

Get your facts straight.

"But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day." (Lumen Gentium, 16).

"The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting." (Nostra Aetate, 3)

Lumen Gentium is just a good guide to what is not. Hildeband writing a diplomatic letter to a potential ransacker of Rome isn't evidence of theological standing.

Lumen Gentium is not simply a diplomatic letter of Hildebrand. Rather, it's an official document of Vatican II. The Council, mind you, that had the most attendance in the whole history of the Church.

It is part of the magisterium of the Church whether one likes it or not.

Apart from this line “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator” there’s nothing in there that could even be part of the magisterium. It’s a series of remarks about who Allah supposedly is and what Muslims supposedly do, not a teaching of the revealed faith.
 

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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2019, 04:00:06 PM »
Oops. I dont think so. Lower than all other councils. The third and least level of magisterium, which is called ordinary, authentic, non-infallible.

I don't think the Ordinary Magisterium is non-infallible on matters of Faith and Morality.
 

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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2019, 04:15:25 PM »
Oops. I dont think so. Lower than all other councils. The third and least level of magisterium, which is called ordinary, authentic, non-infallible.

I don't think the Ordinary Magisterium is non-infallible on matters of Faith and Morality.
Of course that level of teaching is not infallible on any subject matter.
 

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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2019, 04:07:49 PM »
Oops. I dont think so. Lower than all other councils. The third and least level of magisterium, which is called ordinary, authentic, non-infallible.

I don't think the Ordinary Magisterium is non-infallible on matters of Faith and Morality.

Double negatives territory. If the Ordinary Magisterium were to be infallible, that would demand of bishops a level of inerrancy that is not possible. Episcopal preaching, Papal allocutios can easily say something in not quite the right way, say, if a bishop be caught in the moment, or be tired, or whichever. Ex-Cathedra or Popes and bishops at a General Council are infallible. That's how it is commonly taken, and it seems the best understanding of it.
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Re: Islam Is Satanic And Muslims Worship Satan
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2019, 02:43:50 PM »
Ex-Cathedra or Popes and bishops at a General Council are infallible. That's how it is commonly taken, and it seems the best understanding of it.

Exactly.

Hence, Lumen Gentium.
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