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Offline MaryK

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« on: January 19, 2019, 01:28:16 PM »
Hello,
New to the forum her, very first post . I converted to The Church in 1989. In the last few years I have felt an uneasy, so to speak, about the things I have seen at Mass.
 I'm at the beginning of learning. Right now I am reading "My Catholic Faith" by Louis LaRavoire Morrow. It is very helpful to me. I will disclose that I've been in correspondance with the CMRI and will probably continue to do so. However, I've also attended both a diocesan Latin Mass and FSSP Mass.
My questions are:
1. What are some good books to read about Vatican II?
2. Are there any websites or books that speak to how Catholic ladies should conduct themselves in today's world?
Thank you!
 

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Re: Learning
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2019, 02:04:10 PM »
Hello,
New to the forum her, very first post . I converted to The Church in 1989. In the last few years I have felt an uneasy, so to speak, about the things I have seen at Mass.
 I'm at the beginning of learning. Right now I am reading "My Catholic Faith" by Louis LaRavoire Morrow. It is very helpful to me. I will disclose that I've been in correspondance with the CMRI and will probably continue to do so. However, I've also attended both a diocesan Latin Mass and FSSP Mass.
My questions are:
1. What are some good books to read about Vatican II?
2. Are there any websites or books that speak to how Catholic ladies should conduct themselves in today's world?
Thank you!

Welcome to the forum. You're starting off with an excellent question.

You will find a wealth of material dealing with both of your questions at the website Tradition in Action.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/

 
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Re: Learning
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2019, 02:08:49 PM »
Hello,
New to the forum her, very first post . I converted to The Church in 1989. In the last few years I have felt an uneasy, so to speak, about the things I have seen at Mass.
 I'm at the beginning of learning. Right now I am reading "My Catholic Faith" by Louis LaRavoire Morrow. It is very helpful to me. I will disclose that I've been in correspondence with the CMRI and will probably continue to do so. However, I've also attended both a diocesan Latin Mass and FSSP Mass.
My questions are:
1. What are some good books to read about Vatican II?
2. Are there any websites or books that speak to how Catholic ladies should conduct themselves in today's world?
Thank you!

If you are serious about learning what VII had to say it would be good to start with the documents themselves. http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm . Then the post VII docs https://verbum.com/products/29181/vatican-council-ii-the-conciliar-and-post-conciliar-documents . Then you well be in better position to understand the peripheral stuff.
 
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Re: Learning
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2019, 02:12:02 PM »
Don't read opinions until you know what the actual docs say. Most people on here probably won't recommend TIA.
 
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Re: Learning
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2019, 02:12:08 PM »
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1. What are some good books to read about Vatican II?
2. Are there any websites or books that speak to how Catholic ladies should conduct themselves in today's world?
Thank you!
On Vatican II, a very good book which is "pro-Vatican II", but honest about the liberal machinations at the Council, is "The Rhine Flows into the Tiber"  by Fr. Ralph Wiltgen S.V.D. Fr. Wiltgen was a priest and reporter that witnessed and wrote about the Council as he saw it happen before his eyes. Excellent.
"I Accuse the Council" Msgr. Lefebvre. A short work written by Msgr. Lefebvre during the Council itself, but only published latter on; he documents the modernists maneuvering and underhanded efforts to change Church teaching at the Council and in the Council documents.
Another book that is easy to read, is "Open Letter to Confused Catholics", Msgr. Lefebvre. Just a Catholic bishop responding to the anguish of Catholics that addressed their concerns about the changes in Catholic practice and doctrine after the Council.
If you want to start with these three and then if you want more, I can certainly provide other titles. 
"The World Must Conform to Our Lord and not He to it." Rev. Dennis Fahey CSSP

"My brothers, all of you, if you are condemned to see the triumph of evil, never applaud it. Never say to evil: you are good; to decadence: you are progess; to death: you are life. Sanctify yourselves in the times wherein God has placed you; bewail the evils and the disorders which God tolerates; oppose them with the energy of your works and your efforts, your life uncontaminated by error, free from being led astray, in such a way that having lived here below, united with the Spirit of the Lord, you will be admitted to be made but one with Him forever and ever: But he who is joined to the Lord is one in spirit." Cardinal Pie of Potiers
 
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Re: Learning
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2019, 02:39:26 PM »
Don't read opinions until you know what the actual docs say. Most people on here probably won't recommend TIA.

Most of their articles are very good, especially about modesty, culture and Vatican 2
 
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2019, 06:25:21 PM »
Thank you everyone for all your kind and thorough responses!! It helps me feel a little less alone on this journey of learning.
 

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2019, 03:14:55 PM »
It's not a book of course, but "What we have lost and the road to restoration" is a video that is well worth watching.

Even after a long life of sin, if the Christian receives the Sacrament of the dying with the appropriate dispositions, he will go straight to heaven without having to go to purgatory. - Fr. M. Philipon; This sacrament prepares man for glory immediately, since it is given to those who are departing from this life. - St. Thomas Aquinas; It washes away the sins that remain to be atoned, and the vestiges of sin; it comforts and strengthens the soul of the sick person, arousing in him a great trust and confidence in the divine mercy. Thus strengthened, he bears the hardships and struggles of his illness more easily and resists the temptation of the devil and the heel of the deceiver more readily; and if it be advantageous to the welfare of his soul, he sometimes regains his bodily health. - Council of Trent
 
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Re: Learning
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2019, 03:17:45 PM »
While a work of fiction, you might find Mitre and Crook by Fr. Bryan Houghton an interesting peek into that time period.



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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 12:59:29 AM »
Stubborn - that video was definitely blessed by God.  I remember stumbling across it in my early revert novus ordo days, as though it(the video) were a rite of passage.  Although I remained in the novus ordo for many more years, that video was definitely a foundation.  I still enjoy it to this day. 

Mary K - I will give you two pieces of advice.  My first piece of advice is to let Archbishop Lefebvre be your guide.  Read his books.  The second piece of advice I will give you is to avoid the CMRI. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 06:32:50 AM »
Mary K - I will give you two pieces of advice.  My first piece of advice is to let Archbishop Lefebvre be your guide.  Read his books.  The second piece of advice I will give you is to avoid the CMRI.

Good advice.
Even after a long life of sin, if the Christian receives the Sacrament of the dying with the appropriate dispositions, he will go straight to heaven without having to go to purgatory. - Fr. M. Philipon; This sacrament prepares man for glory immediately, since it is given to those who are departing from this life. - St. Thomas Aquinas; It washes away the sins that remain to be atoned, and the vestiges of sin; it comforts and strengthens the soul of the sick person, arousing in him a great trust and confidence in the divine mercy. Thus strengthened, he bears the hardships and struggles of his illness more easily and resists the temptation of the devil and the heel of the deceiver more readily; and if it be advantageous to the welfare of his soul, he sometimes regains his bodily health. - Council of Trent
 
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Re: Learning
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2019, 09:18:22 PM »
I will read on Archbishop Lefebvre as you suggest. As for avoiding the CMRI...is it bad? I'm not very familiar with them
 

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 07:29:54 AM »
I will read on Archbishop Lefebvre as you suggest. As for avoiding the CMRI...is it bad? I'm not very familiar with them

There are many other good sources aside from the good Archbishop LeFebvre, CMRI is not one of them. This is not the forum to go into all that is wrong with the dogmatic sedevacantist sect, CMRI, suffice to say avoid them entirely unless they are your only source for the Mass and sacraments. In that case, use them for that and nothing else while you seek another place for the Mass and the sacraments.

I'm almost 59 years old and have been a trad my whole life and I know quite well what's going on in the Church, and like the Novus Ordo, I avoid the CMRI chapels completely - and for your own safety's sake, suggest you do the same.
Even after a long life of sin, if the Christian receives the Sacrament of the dying with the appropriate dispositions, he will go straight to heaven without having to go to purgatory. - Fr. M. Philipon; This sacrament prepares man for glory immediately, since it is given to those who are departing from this life. - St. Thomas Aquinas; It washes away the sins that remain to be atoned, and the vestiges of sin; it comforts and strengthens the soul of the sick person, arousing in him a great trust and confidence in the divine mercy. Thus strengthened, he bears the hardships and struggles of his illness more easily and resists the temptation of the devil and the heel of the deceiver more readily; and if it be advantageous to the welfare of his soul, he sometimes regains his bodily health. - Council of Trent
 

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Re: Learning
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 08:05:09 AM »
Vat 2- A subscription to Catholic Family News.
anything by Micheal Davies,
Archbishop Lefevbre's "A Open Letter to Confused Catholics"
http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/Chapter-1.htm

This link is a goldmine......under Free Traditional Catholic Books II if you scroll down there is a heading "Problems with the modern Church"  Lots of Davies, Lefevbre and ect there...
http://www.traditionalcatholic.co/free-catholicbooks/

Dealing with the world
a good SSPX or FSSP or Institute or uber conservative, would be a trad NO priest who says the TLM...spiritual director. 
https://finerfem.com/ (she has a book list that I find very good, have many of them myself)
http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/ (May he rest in peace)


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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2019, 05:33:39 PM »
I will read on Archbishop Lefebvre as you suggest. As for avoiding the CMRI...is it bad? I'm not very familiar with them

The CMRI are guilty of all four capital offenses. 

1 - They have highly dubious sacraments while at the same time 2 - dogmatically declaring the new rites of the novus ordo to be invalid, as opposed to just merely doubtful.  3 - They judge Francis and all other post V2 popes to be in formal heresy, as opposed to just merely material heresy.  This act is a declaration by them that they are a higher authority than the pope, in turn dictating his loss of office.  This is combined with the fact that 4 - their founder Francis Schuckardt believed he was the true pope.  I say founder because the CMRI retains his institution.  It was never dissolved, as it should have been. 

Those are the four capital offenses, all summed up by the word usurp.  The CMRI are the premier usurpers.  I will never set foot in a CMRI chapel. 
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