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shooting at targets with human images
« on: January 12, 2019, 01:57:36 PM »
Hubs and I were out back today practicing with our handguns.  I wanted to tape a printout of a mugshot of a terrible guy that was caught in our state the other day to the target.  This monster abducted a 13 year old after killing both of her parents in their home.  He held her captive for 88 days and did horrible things to her until she escaped. 
Anyway, hubs said no, it was not appropriate for a Catholic to do.  I told him he was a snowflake, but I obeyed him. 
Was he right?
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 04:09:20 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with it unless you are hell bent on actually shooting the guy out of hate.

Use a picture of Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schummer, you'll be fine.

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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 04:24:08 PM »
Was he right?
He was right. There's nothing 'Catholic' about disrespecting a man's life, even jokingly.
 

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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 04:48:35 PM »
Was he right?
He was right. There's nothing 'Catholic' about disrespecting a man's life, even jokingly.

Says the atheist. Right? Correct me if I am wrong.

Life sized targets with silhouettes of menacing characters is normal. Good practice for reality that we pray never happens.

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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 04:55:23 PM »


yes, we have life sized targets with silhouettes, and I was gonna tape this guys head on one of them.  Seriously, doesn't a murderer of parents and a child rapist make you want to aim really well?
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 04:59:38 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with it unless you are hell bent on actually shooting the guy out of hate.

Use a picture of Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schummer, you'll be fine.

Eh, Pelosi and Schummer are useful idiots, but this guy is seriously evil. Its not hate, its more of a "Beer For My Horses" sort of sentiment.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2019, 05:12:07 PM »
Says the atheist. Right? Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 05:53:20 PM »
Says the atheist. Right? Correct me if I am wrong.
I'm not an atheist.

are you a traditional Catholic who attends Mass? 
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2019, 06:04:04 PM »
Says the atheist. Right? Correct me if I am wrong.
I'm not an atheist.

are you a traditional Catholic who attends Mass?
I am a Catholic who attends the traditional Mass.
 
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2019, 06:30:05 PM »
Says the atheist. Right? Correct me if I am wrong.
I'm not an atheist.

are you a traditional Catholic who attends Mass?
I am a Catholic who attends the traditional Mass.

I stand corrected and apologize.
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2019, 06:51:02 PM »
Hubs and I were out back today practicing with our handguns.  I wanted to tape a printout of a mugshot of a terrible guy that was caught in our state the other day to the target.  This monster abducted a 13 year old after killing both of her parents in their home.  He held her captive for 88 days and did horrible things to her until she escaped. 
Anyway, hubs said no, it was not appropriate for a Catholic to do.  I told him he was a snowflake, but I obeyed him. 
Was he right?

It seems to me that you may be stirring up internal hatred against a particular real life person. Loving our enemy is consistent with wanting him punished by death or obviously killing him to actually prevent his doing harm. It is also right that you should have absolute hatred for what he did and for the EVIL in him. But at least you should want him to repent before he dies - he is a human being with an immortal soul.

But I sure understand your gut instinct, and I would even more if I owned a gun and practiced shooting it.

I imagine you are talking about the Jamie Closs case, and Jake Thomas Patterson, her kidnapper and murderer of her parents.  Here is some youtube news about it:  It was in national news.  What a miracle she lived.  What a horrific case. What an absolutely evil man.
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 08:51:12 PM »
He's your husband.  We should practice what we preach.  Better to ask your priest in private than fish for support on an internet forum.
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 11:05:55 PM »

He's your husband. 

Right.


We should practice what we preach. 

Right


Better to ask your priest in private than fish for support on an internet forum.

Yes, except you should avoid getting a third person involved in your marriage, unless in case of extreme necessity. Don't go double-checking everything your husband says with your pastor. That's a good way to destroy a marriage.

 
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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2019, 12:21:22 AM »
Traditionallyruralmom did obey her husband.  But if she thought he was commanding something that was morally imperfect (e.g. having LESS anger than she ought) maybe she should have talked to him about more rather than us. At that point, if she still didn't understand, a priest probably could have helped; it wouldn't need to be in private.

We can't/shouldn't talk about what goes on between a particular man and his wife. But we can talk about objective moral issues in general. Maybe the issue could have been bought up in a general may, not mentioning who said what.

Maybe, considering how the issue was brought up, we (I) shouldn't have got involved.

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Re: shooting at targets with human images
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 12:36:42 AM »
Traditionallyruralmom did obey her husband. 

Did he ask her to post this on the internet?


But if she thought he was commanding something that was morally imperfect (e.g. having LESS anger than she ought) maybe she should have talked to him about more rather than us.

Wrong, wrong. Judging every statement of one's superior in order to decide whether it is less than morally perfect is the road to perdition. "Talking more" is the opposite of the admonition that St. Peter gives to wives.


At that point, if she still didn't understand, a priest probably could have helped; it wouldn't need to be in private.

No, no, no. You obviously have no experience of married life. But even someone with no experience could understand better in theory.


We can't/shouldn't talk about what goes on between a particular man and his wife.

Not unless they post it on the internet for the whole world to see.


But we can talk about objective moral issues in general. Maybe the issue could have been bought up in a general may, not mentioning who said what.

Well that might be preferable. But there is no imaginable scenario in which a wife should feel obliged to disobey her rightful superior in order to shoot firearms at images of people in the news.