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Les Miserables
« on: December 30, 2018, 09:21:40 AM »
Banned book and now a literary classic.  What are your thoughts on this work?
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 10:20:00 AM »
Banned book and now a literary classic.  What are your thoughts on this work?
Not to the point, but it was a favorite among Southern Soldiers during the Civil War; so much so that the men of the Army of Northern Virginia began referring to themselves as "Lee's Miserables".
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2018, 11:09:48 AM »
I love it. My dad loved the musical, so I grew up listening to that and by the time I read the book I was already familiar with the story. I have it for Kindle and as an audiobook. I love redemption stories, and this one definitely fits the bill.
 
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2018, 12:45:22 PM »
What was the reason for its being on the Index?

I've never seen the play, movie, or read the book.
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 03:51:11 PM »
What was the reason for its being on the Index?

I've never seen the play, movie, or read the book.

I think that the works, in general, of Victor Hugo were placed on the Index. The movie version, I thought, reflected Catholicism well but perhaps the book did not.
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2018, 05:50:48 PM »
Banned book and now a literary classic.  What are your thoughts on this work?
Not to the point, but it was a favorite among Southern Soldiers during the Civil War; so much so that the men of the Army of Northern Virginia began referring to themselves as "Lee's Miserables".

I never knew that. And I was a quarter master first sargent for General Lee in the ANV: 7th irregular Kentucky sharpshooter cavalry company.
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2018, 06:15:14 PM »
Reenactment you mean?
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 08:19:39 PM »
No. Complete enactment.

In regards to the OP, is this work one of necessity for cultural literacy?
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2018, 03:29:39 PM »
I've only seen the Wishbone version  ;D

It seems like a good story full of virtuous people.  But that's me remembering from age 11, ha.

My assumption is that Victor Hugo was likely your typical post-Revolution Frenchman who did not care for the Church and that might come through in his writing.  But I could be very well be wrong!
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2018, 09:20:35 PM »

My assumption is that Victor Hugo was likely your typical post-Revolution Frenchman who did not care for the Church and that might come through in his writing.  But I could be very well be wrong!

My daughter has seen a film version of it and read the original.  She said the film comes across very differently than the book.  He rants against the Church in the book.
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2018, 09:21:04 PM »

In regards to the OP, is this work one of necessity for cultural literacy?
I am not sure what you mean
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2019, 11:44:06 AM »

In regards to the OP, is this work one of necessity for cultural literacy?
I am not sure what you mean
I think "big H" means that with the little time that we have to read and the many good and even necessary books that we need to read to keep our faith and sanity in this world, is this book one of those "we really need to read this" work?
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2019, 03:59:24 PM »
Yeah. That.
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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2019, 03:44:52 PM »
Read it long before my conversion, so I can't say.

I believe Dumas's Three Musketeers was on the Index for its  - morally accurate - portrayal of Cardinal Richelieu. So there's that. Something like Jules Michelet's pseudo-histories I can understand, though a great loss from the perspective of belles lettres, as was the ban on Gibbon's tendentious Decline and Fall. Balzac got the chop too, despite his favourable portrayal of the royalist counter-revolutionaries of the Vendee in Les Chouans, as did Flaubert. At least they left Baudelaire alone, going by the Wikipedia list, though why is beyond me.
 

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Re: Les Miserables
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2019, 11:27:59 PM »
Banned book and now a literary classic.  What are your thoughts on this work?
Not to the point, but it was a favorite among Southern Soldiers during the Civil War; so much so that the men of the Army of Northern Virginia began referring to themselves as "Lee's Miserables".

I never knew that. And I was a quarter master first sargent for General Lee in the ANV: 7th irregular Kentucky sharpshooter cavalry company.
Thank you for your service, Sir. ;D ;D ;D