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χαῖρε!
« on: October 30, 2018, 07:02:25 PM »
Hey guys
 Iím a young Trad Catholic(SSPX) studying Classics at a university in DC. ( converted from Islam to Catholicism) Latin, Greek, and Patristics are my main interests. ( Iím very well read in the Fathers and St. Thomas. St. Augustineís writings in particular were a big part of my conversion) I also really like Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange and other pre-Vatican 2 theologians in the Thomist and Augustinian traditions.

Look forward to many good discussions on the Faith. 
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2018, 07:14:59 PM »
Welcome Augustinian! Some great minds here. Would.love to hear your conversion story sometime! I have a feeling, so would others! Good to have you!
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2018, 08:15:25 AM »
Welcome to the Forum! You certainly have a great reading list.
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2018, 08:39:49 AM »
Welcome. I'm interested in your background (which school of Islam? raised in it or converted to it, and then left? speak/read/write Arabic [at what level of competence?]?, etc.)
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2018, 06:25:47 PM »
Welcome. I'm interested in your background (which school of Islam? raised in it or converted to it, and then left? speak/read/write Arabic [at what level of competence?]?, etc.)
Sorry, Iíve been quite busy lately.

I was raised in a very conservative Muslim family, but started
questioning Islam in 7th grade. At that point, I became a skeptical
Deist.  After several years of independent philosophical and
theological study (study of religious philosophy, and the Scriptures)
I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior 3 years ago. Examining the
life of Christ and realizing that Isaiah had prophecied Christ in the
OT had a profound effect on me.

I swam around in High-Anglican circles for about 2 years. However, the more I read the Early Fathers (especially St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, and Justin Martyr) the more I saw the
truth of the Catholic Faith, and the errors in Protestant thinking. Reading St. Thomas (working through the Summa) has also been a greathelp to me theologically. Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange is certainly my favorite modern theologian. Dominican/Thomist theology is especially appealing  to me. I hold to a very high view of God's grace andsovereignty, as well as the Thomistic understanding of Predestination outlined very well by Lagrange) 

I was received into the Catholic Church a number of months ago and currently attend an SSPX chapel. I take the SSPX position on the Crisis and believe it makes the most sense. Iíve also attended a few of Fr. Ortizís Masses at St. Athanasius in Vienna
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2018, 10:48:40 PM »
Very interesting Augustinian21.  I'm curious.  Do you know if there are many Muslim kids that question Islam at a young age, like you did?
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2018, 11:12:15 PM »
Very interesting Augustinian21.  I'm curious.  Do you know if there are many Muslim kids that question Islam at a young age, like you did?
I know many who simply ďAmericanizeĒ and become hedonists when they come to the US
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2018, 10:35:35 AM »
I could tell you really are into Lagrange by the fact that I asked several simple questions and you answered only part of them with way more information than I asked, and yet still didn't really answer the questions.

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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2018, 11:29:31 AM »
Hello, Augustinian. My former pastor, a Frenchman, was fond of Fr. Lagrange. Tremendous story you have, and we are the better for having you and your prayers in the valley of tears. How is the relationship with your parents? Are you planning on becoming a priest? Also, you mentioned Vienna and Father Ortiz. What order of are we talking about here? I live in America, am an American, but hobby travel to Europe(Bavaria, Austria, Switzerland) as much as I can. I have attended both SSPX and FSSP in my travels, but do not have a bead on a traditional Mass in Vienna.

Thanks!

Oh, do you like to pump iron?
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2018, 12:01:00 PM »
Welcome. I'm interested in your background (which school of Islam? raised in it or converted to it, and then left? speak/read/write Arabic [at what level of competence?]?, etc.)
I was received into the Catholic Church a number of months ago and currently attend an SSPX chapel. I take the SSPX position on the Crisis and believe it makes the most sense. Iíve also attended a few of Fr. Ortizís Masses at St. Athanasius in Vienna

I thought St Athanasius in Vienna (Virginia) was sedevacantist rather than SSPX. No?
 

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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2018, 02:02:14 PM »
Welcome. I'm interested in your background (which school of Islam? raised in it or converted to it, and then left? speak/read/write Arabic [at what level of competence?]?, etc.)
Sorry, Iíve been quite busy lately.

I was raised in a very conservative Muslim family, but started
questioning Islam in 7th grade. At that point, I became a skeptical
Deist.  After several years of independent philosophical and
theological study (study of religious philosophy, and the Scriptures)
I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior 3 years ago. Examining the
life of Christ and realizing that Isaiah had prophecied Christ in the
OT had a profound effect on me.

I swam around in High-Anglican circles for about 2 years. However, the more I read the Early Fathers (especially St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, and Justin Martyr) the more I saw the
truth of the Catholic Faith, and the errors in Protestant thinking. Reading St. Thomas (working through the Summa) has also been a greathelp to me theologically. Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange is certainly my favorite modern theologian. Dominican/Thomist theology is especially appealing  to me. I hold to a very high view of God's grace andsovereignty, as well as the Thomistic understanding of Predestination outlined very well by Lagrange) 

I was received into the Catholic Church a number of months ago and currently attend an SSPX chapel. I take the SSPX position on the Crisis and believe it makes the most sense. Iíve also attended a few of Fr. Ortizís Masses at St. Athanasius in Vienna


Welcome HOME, friend!  :cheer:  :pray1: I am glad that you are with us!  God bless!  :pray2:

I am going to assume that you are talking about Vienna, Virginia, since you are going to school in the DC area, right?

And since there are a lot of Persians/Iranians in the DC area, is your family Persian?

I am looking forward to reading your posts! Thanks for the intro.
 

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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2018, 02:29:50 PM »
Very interesting Augustinian21.  I'm curious.  Do you know if there are many Muslim kids that question Islam at a young age, like you did?


There a lot of Muslims in the DC area, from various backgrounds (Persians, Arabs, North Africans, Turkish, etc.) And like our new friend mentioned, a lot of them "Americanize". It is easy to do so, when the older generations might not be around to keep them in line.

In a lot of these countries you find several generations living in the same home. The nuclear & extended family is very important.
And the young view the wisdom of the grandparents, great grandparents as priceless. They are respected &
cherished. So, the young people keep & or stay with their faith much longer compared to their counterparts in the West.

I have met several young people that have converted to Catholicism from Islam. I was told that it was easier to do that in the US.

 

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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2018, 03:22:57 PM »
Hello, Augustinian. My former pastor, a Frenchman, was fond of Fr. Lagrange. Tremendous story you have, and we are the better for having you and your prayers in the valley of tears. How is the relationship with your parents? Are you planning on becoming a priest? Also, you mentioned Vienna and Father Ortiz. What order of are we talking about here? I live in America, am an American, but hobby travel to Europe(Bavaria, Austria, Switzerland) as much as I can. I have attended both SSPX and FSSP in my travels, but do not have a bead on a traditional Mass in Vienna.

Thanks!

Oh, do you like to pump iron?
1. The relationship with my parents is very bad. I had to leave  my house a few months ago for converting to the Faith( they had ranted at me for many months, calling me a traitor and a shame to the family) One Sunday, they told me I had to  stop attending Mass or could no longer live with them. PM for details
2. Iíve thought about the priesthood, and have had many conversations about it with my SSPX priest. I donít think Iím called to the priesthood, but I have thought about becoming a 3rd Order Dominican. I think God is calling me to married life( the main problem with that is that there are virtually no seriously Traditional Catholic women my age I know. The vast majority of the girls at my university are hedonists)
3. I was speaking of Vienna, Virginia.( not Austria) 
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Re: χαῖρε!
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2018, 03:28:44 PM »
Welcome. I'm interested in your background (which school of Islam? raised in it or converted to it, and then left? speak/read/write Arabic [at what level of competence?]?, etc.)
I was received into the Catholic Church a number of months ago and currently attend an SSPX chapel. I take the SSPX position on the Crisis and believe it makes the most sense. Iíve also attended a few of Fr. Ortizís Masses at St. Athanasius in Vienna
I thought St Athanasius in Vienna (Virginia) was sedevacantist rather than SSPX. No?
Not quite. Itís weird. Fr. Ringrose and Fr. McMahon are Sedevacantists, but Fr. Ortiz is SSPX-Resistance. I would never go to the Masses of Ringrose/McMahon, but have occasionally attended Fr. Ortizís Masses( thereís virtually no theological difference between the SSPX and the Resistance. Itís a political fight) I usually attend an SSPX chapel.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2018, 03:30:28 PM »
Welcome. I'm interested in your background (which school of Islam? raised in it or converted to it, and then left? speak/read/write Arabic [at what level of competence?]?, etc.)
Sorry, Iíve been quite busy lately.

I was raised in a very conservative Muslim family, but started
questioning Islam in 7th grade. At that point, I became a skeptical
Deist.  After several years of independent philosophical and
theological study (study of religious philosophy, and the Scriptures)
I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior 3 years ago. Examining the
life of Christ and realizing that Isaiah had prophecied Christ in the
OT had a profound effect on me.

I swam around in High-Anglican circles for about 2 years. However, the more I read the Early Fathers (especially St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, and Justin Martyr) the more I saw the
truth of the Catholic Faith, and the errors in Protestant thinking. Reading St. Thomas (working through the Summa) has also been a greathelp to me theologically. Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange is certainly my favorite modern theologian. Dominican/Thomist theology is especially appealing  to me. I hold to a very high view of God's grace andsovereignty, as well as the Thomistic understanding of Predestination outlined very well by Lagrange) 

I was received into the Catholic Church a number of months ago and currently attend an SSPX chapel. I take the SSPX position on the Crisis and believe it makes the most sense. Iíve also attended a few of Fr. Ortizís Masses at St. Athanasius in Vienna


Welcome HOME, friend!  :cheer:  :pray1: I am glad that you are with us!  God bless!  :pray2:

I am going to assume that you are talking about Vienna, Virginia, since you are going to school in the DC area, right?

And since there are a lot of Persians/Iranians in the DC area, is your family Persian?

I am looking forward to reading your posts! Thanks for the intro.
No, family is Pashtun. Iím not from the DC area, I just go to college here
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