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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2018, 02:24:06 AM »
. . . . Steel doesn't melt. Therefore demolitions. . . . .

. . . Welcome to Traditional Catholicism, where logical progressions are just a formality.

That's almost right.  Steel doesn't melt at the temperatures caused by burning jet fuel.  What's more, it doesn't even weaken. 

In fact. according to those who design and build high-rise steel framed buildings for a living - architects and engineers - steel framed buildings never collapse because of fire. 

The only way those towers could have collapsed as a result of those planes alone, was if the laws of physics were temprarily suspended on that day.


Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth - they don't say who they think caused the demolition of the twin towers.  They offer no conspiracy theories.  They just maintain that the planes couldn't have done it.

It's not really about melting, it more that sufficient heat made the beams unable to do the job of holding up a building which creaked in high winds. After a failure close to the aircraft impact, floor after floor would pancake. That being said Building 7 cannot be explained that way. It's loss was perhaps opportune given its content.

Wouldn't a massive skyscraper act like a sort of giant bellows or wind tunnel, sucking air rapidly up to the fire, making the heat rise to steel bending temperatures?  Think of the way those chimney's work for starting charcoal for grilling, its a far stretch though between that and a skyscraper.
 

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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2018, 08:57:00 AM »


...that building 7 tho...
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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2018, 09:18:48 AM »
Wouldn't a massive skyscraper act like a sort of giant bellows or wind tunnel, sucking air rapidly up to the fire, making the heat rise to steel bending temperatures?  Think of the way those chimney's work for starting charcoal for grilling, its a far stretch though between that and a skyscraper.

Fire code addresses that issue.  Take a look at the stairwells and elevators of any multi-story public building and you'll find self-closing fire doors on all floors.  I takes stretch of the imagination to believe that two airplanes managed to knock out enough fire doors on the lower floors of three buildings.
 
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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2018, 10:01:33 AM »
Does this video explain best how building 7 collapsed?

 

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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2018, 10:47:53 AM »
It's not really about melting, it more that sufficient heat made the beams unable to do the job of holding up a building which creaked in high winds. After a failure close to the aircraft impact, floor after floor would pancake. That being said Building 7 cannot be explained that way. It's loss was perhaps opportune given its content.

The twin towers were designed to creak, or sway slightly, in high winds.  All buildings move, to some extent, depending on temperature mostly, hence the need for expansion joints to accommodate this, especially in larger buildings.

There were 100,000 tonnes of structural steel in each of those towers.  The fires from the burning jet fuel were oxygen starved, hence the volumes of smoke.  This meant that they were burning at low temperatures. Steel doesn't even weaken at such temperatures.

The impact of the planes, would have had no effect whatsoever of the strucural integrity of those buildings.  The planes were basically hollow tubes of alumimium, a much softer metal than steel.  Whatever effect they had at the impact points would have been contained by the sheer force of the remaining steel.

But let's say that the planes, by some miracle, did indeed cause the top floors of the towers to collapse.  For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, isn't there?  If, say, the top 20 (or so) floors collapsed downwards, this would create a downward force on the floors below.  But as Newton pointed out, the downward force exterted by the falling floors would be met by the upward resisting force of the 80 (or so) floors below.

The only way the towers could have collapsed at free fall speed is if the upward resisting force of the lower floors, which were most of both towers, was removed. And the only way this could be achieved was by controlled demolition.

The Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth video explains all this.
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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »
Does this video explain best how building 7 collapsed?


No, it doesn't.  Oxygen starved fires supposedly caused by burning office furniture could never have caused the collapse of WTC 7.

They're lying.

Office furniture has to meet all kinds of fire resistance and safety standards, for a start.
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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2018, 10:57:46 AM »
This video gives a wonderful illustration of the controlled demolition of two tower blocks

The Top Gear team a trying to destroy a Toyota pickup truck.  After many attempts, they place it at the top of a multi-storey building that is about to go the same way as the twin towers.  The results are practically identical.


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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2018, 12:37:25 PM »
Also where did all of that steel go? I will try to find a podcast on 9/11 from NY public radio station. It was an hour long broadcast. But you can just google Dr Judy Wood or find her on youtube. She is a former professor of engineering mechanics.
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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2018, 02:07:32 PM »

Responses here prove that the SSPX/FSP movement is nothing other than made up of conspiracy followers.

And yet you continue to post here.

Thanks for pushing me over the edge. I really don't belong here.
 

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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2018, 10:28:41 PM »
I believe the accounts of what happened as it unfolded on that day were correct. It's hard to forget watching with your own eyes people jumping from skyscrapers and splattering across the street in preference to choking, burning or being crushed to death.

you were there?
 

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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2018, 11:03:58 PM »
Jumpers from an on-fire building != necessity of planes hitting towers or at least being the primary cause of their collapse.

That’s like saying because I can vividly describe certain instances in Iraq, that Saddam definitely had yellow cake uranium.
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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2018, 04:54:49 PM »
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Jumpers from an on-fire building != necessity of planes hitting towers or at least being the primary cause of their collapse.

i was ever so gently leading up to the same point, but i first wanted to establish if "watching with [his] own eyes" meant that he was physically present or if he was watching the entire thing on tv

for someone who makes it a point to advertise his skepticism, kirin's comment came across -- to me, at least -- as astoundingly credulous
 

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Re: Do you believe in 9/11?
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2018, 08:00:51 PM »
Kirin clearly suffers from a Duning/Krugeresque hypercredulity. He's only sceptical of the things that limit his unrestricted system of beliefs.

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