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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 02:53:52 PM »
He's such an evil villain, isn't he?
 

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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2018, 03:03:13 PM »
Tbh, I disliked Umbridge much more than Voldemort. I mean, he's evil but he's also obviously evil. Umbridge is evil covered up in a faux-sweet disposition and a belief in extreme governmental order.
 
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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 03:52:03 PM »
Oh, I disliked Umbridge, too. She was sickening.
 

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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2018, 01:42:13 AM »
If anyone wants further information on why Harry Potter is "evil", I'd suggest reading Harry Potter and the Paganization of Culture. The author O'Brien makes some good points, though I would say that some of his points fall into the realm of opinion.

Here's a brief summary of some of the topics in his book (not an exhaustive list):

1.) The cosmology found in Harry Potter is inherently dualistic/gnostic. (Star Wars is also dualistic/gnostic.) O'Brien does a good job explaining what this means exactly, and why it's problematic.

2.) The Harry Potter books contain some satanic symbolism and a lot of inverted Christian symbolism (symbols which traditionally mean one thing have had their meanings switched around to mean something else). O'Brien says that this is dangerous because it weakens the reader's symbolic literacy and it subliminally distorts the reader's perception of the spiritual realities which the symbols signify. I'd take what he's saying here with a grain of salt, but it may have some truth in it.

3.) Harry Potter is based in "values" instead of "virtues", and in relativistic ethics. There's a lot of good stuff in Harry Potter, but there's also quite a lot of bad stuff as well. This is why it's so controversial: some people say kids should read it, since it teaches good values, but other people say kids shouldn't read it, since it's basically the spiritual equivalent to eating good food which has been tainted with poison. O'Brien takes the latter stance and says that kids simply shouldn't read this sort of literature (though they can read Tolkien and Lewis and traditional fairy tales which don't have this problem).

4.) Harry Potter uses rhetorical techniques to encourage the reader to feel a sense of satisfaction whenever Harry gets revenge (not justice but revenge... and sometimes that revenge is pretty violent). And this is problematic (especially in children) because it subliminally enters into the person's experiential memory. If revenge makes him feel good, (even if it's in fiction,) he begins to lose the sense that revenge is wrong.

5.) There is one scene in Harry Potter (the mandrake root which looks like a human infant but which must be chopped up to make a certain potion) which O'Brien thinks can subliminally weaken a child's sense that abortion is wrong, and there's one scene (Snape kills Dumbledore) which promotes the idea of "mercy killing". I think O'Brien is going a little too far with the first example, but I definitely agree with him on the second example. (It goes right back to the subjectivistic ethics (#3 above). Too many antiheroes and "the end justifies the means"... not enough true heroes and real ethics.)

6.) The way magic is portrayed in Harry Potter is far too close to real-world wicca. This goes back to the whole thing about the dualistic philosophy (#1 above) and also the subjectivist ethics (#3): wiccans believe that magic is not objectively evil but that there's good magic (white magic) and bad magic (black magic), and that it is the witch's intention which determines whether the particular use of magic is good or bad. Magic in Harry Potter works in pretty much the same way. Harry uses many of the same spells as the Death Eaters, yet when Harry uses them they're good but when the bad guys use them then they're bad. Harry has even on occasion used the three unforgivable curses as a means to a good end. This depiction of magic is entirely different than the way magic is depicted in Tolkien or Lewis (in which the bad guys use a different kind of magic than the good guys, and in which the magic of the bad guys signifies the preternatural while the magic of the good guys signifies grace. Traditional fairy tales are the same... two distinct kinds of magic: the evil magic signifying real-world/occult magic; the good magic signifying grace). Also, Tolkien and Lewis include warnings against the occult.
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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2018, 10:46:18 AM »
Thanks, Daniel. When exorcists say not to read Harry Potter, that should be good enough for everyone. Some people think they know better.
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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2018, 09:19:42 PM »
 if someone writes a story about a gang of active pedophiles but it's set in a universe where pedophilia is morally good, is that also ok to read
 
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Re: Trying to buy the UK Harry Potter ebooks
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2018, 09:44:47 AM »
"And what use are the victories on the battlefield if we are ourselves are defeated in our innermost personal selves?" - St. Maximilian Kolbe
 
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