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Evolutionary story telling pretends diamonds are hundreds of millions to billions of years old. Evolutionist Wiki claims "Most natural diamonds have ages between 1 billion and 3.5 billion years." They are certainly extremely old, among the oldest substances on planet earth, and therefore serve as special indicators of the timescale of God's Creation. Creation Scientists have shown from the fact that C-14 is still present in Diamonds and other such simple scientific demonstrations that these diamonds have a maximum upper limit of ages around 50 to 60 thousand years. Thus, evolution never happened, because evolution didn't have the required time evolutionists need for it to have happened.

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Diamonds—Are they really all that old?

En.wikipedia.org/diamond

by Jonathan O’Brien

Jewellers sometimes tell awe-struck customers that diamonds have been sitting undisturbed in the ground for hundreds of millions   of years, since before the time of the dinosaurs,1 just waiting to add sparkle to rings, necklaces and broaches.   The British Jewellers’ Association says that all natural diamonds have existed for at least 900 million years, with   the oldest specimens being 3.2 billion years old!2

These are extraordinary claims, but scientific facts indicate a different reality. It is interesting to consider the compelling   evidence that all natural diamonds are actually far younger.

Fresh, unpetrified wood found entombed in diamond-bearing rock
Recently a wooden log has been discovered in Canada deep inside a ‘kimberlite pipe’.3 Kimberlite is   a volcanic rock that is one of the main sources of diamonds, and is often formed in the shape of a vertical ‘pipe’   that is wider at the top like a carrot (see diagram). These pipes can be hundreds of metres across and might originate more   than 150 km (over 90 miles) below the surface, in the earth’s mantle.

It is conventionally believed that diamonds themselves come from the mantle.4 They are picked up by the kimberlite   magma as it blasts to the surface, forming the pipe (diagram). Thus, the diamonds are older than the kimberlite rock.

The wood is fresh and was found more than 300 m (1,000 ft) deep within the diamond-bearing rock

Interestingly, the wood is fresh, unfossilised (unpetrified), and was found more than 300 m (1,000 ft) deep within the diamond-bearing   rock.5 The wood likely got there by locally-catastrophic forces, as kimberlite pipes are recognized as having   formed quickly and violently.6

The wood was almost certainly entombed in the kimberlite during the moment that the pipe burst through the surface of the   ground. The wood is not the only fresh piece of timber found—there have been other cases of fresh timber having been   found in diamond-bearing rock.

The scientists report “pristine” and “exceptional” preservation of the “unpermineralized”   timber deep within the kimberlite. The wood is completely woody with “genuine cellulose” present. This means   that the ‘ancient’ timber, pulled straight from the rock, will burn just as easily as any ordinary wood. It   has not even begun to turn into coal, but is just the same as any piece of wood you would find in a forest today.7 The presence of such fresh, unfossilised timber is a strong indication that the kimberlite rock is not millions of years old.

Carbon-14 in diamond a startling problem

There is no reason for natural diamonds to take any longer to form than the ones made by people
Secular scientists believe that the kimberlite rock where the wood was found is 53 million years old,3 and that   the diamonds themselves were formed many hundreds of millions of years earlier before being transported to the earth’s   surface in the pipe. This is an interesting idea but it is stymied by some rather amazing evidence: Carbon-14 has been found   within diamonds,8 which makes an age of hundreds of millions of years impossible. This is because the half-life   of carbon-14 (5,730±40 years) shows that it will have fallen below detection level within 100 thousand years. Even   an age of 53 million years is far too high a figure for the age of the diamonds.

The other obvious problem is that if the kimberlite rock is 53 million years old, then the wood itself must be at least as   old. But it is known that cellulose breaks down extremely rapidly. It would be indeed unusual if the wood were anything more than a few thousand years old.

Diamonds form quickly

These days, diamonds can be made artificially, and they are just the same as natural diamonds. They are made by the exact   same processes of temperature and pressure, out of the same material, carbon. With the right machines, a power source, and   the extremely common ingredient, carbon, people can make diamonds in the time it takes to wash a car.9

So it follows that natural diamonds don’t need billions of years to form. In fact, there is no reason at all   for natural diamonds to take any longer to form than the ones made by people. The only reason diamonds are claimed to be   billions of years old is because of a philosophical commitment to millions and billions of years. Secular scientists believe   in such long ages because long time frames are a requirement for belief in evolution.10

Not so old

The ‘diamonds are forever’ saying is a clever marketing slogan used by the De Beer diamond mining company since   the 1940s. The saying became popular, and naturally fed into the idea that diamonds were unimaginably old—but the evidence for this just doesn’t stack up in the light of new discoveries.

The evidence of the fresh wood in the diamond-bearing rock, and of the carbon-14 found in diamonds, is consistent with the   age of natural diamonds being far younger than long-agers and evolutionists claim. It is consistent with the biblical age of the earth.

References and notes

1. Some diamonds were likely in existence “before the dinosaurs”, because God made the earth before He made the animals. Diamonds were also formed during the intense upheavals experienced by the earth during the global Flood. Return to text.
2. Buying Diamonds & Gemstones,bja.org.uk, accessed 22 March 2013. Return to text.
3. Wolfe, A., Csank, A., Reyes, A., McKellar, R., Tappert, R., and Muehlenbachs, K., Pristine Early Eocene Wood Buried Deeply in Kimberlite from Northern Canada, PLoS ONE 7(9):e45537. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0045537, 19 September 2012;www.plosone.org. Return to text.
4. Although there is evidence emerging that small diamonds may be able to form much closer to the surface, in crustal rocks. See Snelling, A., Microscopic diamonds confound geologists, J. Creation 10(1):1–2, 1996; creation.com/diamonds-microscopic. Return to text.
5. The wood of course isn’t still ‘green’—it’s fresh in the sense that it is the same as the new (dried) wood that you can buy from hardware stores or building suppliers today. It isn’t turned into stone, coal, or anything else. Return to text.
6. Snelling, A., Diamonds—evidence of explosive geological processes, Creation 16(1):42–45, 1993; creation.com/diamonds-explosive. Return to text.
7. The wood is from a ‘Dawn Redwood’ tree, of the genus Metasequoia (Cupressaceae). A ‘living fossil’, it was once thought to be extinct. However, in the 1940s this tree was found to still be growing, alive and well, and unchanged after (allegedly) more than 65 million years. See Werner, C., Evolution: The Grand Experiment Vol.2 – Living Fossils, New Leaf Press, Green Forest, pp. 187–189, 2008. Return to text.
8. See for example Sarfati, J., Diamonds: a creationist’s best friend, Creation 28(4): 26–27, 2006; creation.com/diamonds. Return to text.
9. Graphite has been turned into ultra-hard pure diamond in only minutes. See creation.com/diamonds-minutes. Return to text.
10. This is despite the fact that creationists have shown that even billions of years won’t make any difference to the inability of natural selection and mutations to drive ‘goo to you’ evolution. The extra time is immaterial because natural selection and mutation can’t provide new or novel biological information. Return to text.
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Re: Diamonds offer a Priceless Proof of Earth's Young Non-Evolutionary Age!
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2018, 07:01:35 AM »
Not at all. The Best Creation Scientists have used this demonstration. How old do you really believe the earth is, Kaese? Tradition says nothing about millions of years, it tells us Adam and Eve were created about 7200 years ago (Scripture too gives us that date, as does Fr. Eusebius, Father of Church history) on the sixth day of creation week, before which God made all things by the power of His Word and brought them to being simply by His will.

An article from St. Kolbe centre for the study of creation mentions this simple consideration in passing: "What is really needed, of course, is the serious scientific study of such phenomena. Unfortunately, evolutionists refuse point blank to even consider the possibility of such evidence. The same is true of the Carbon 14 testing of coal, dinosaur bones and diamonds. Data that does not fit the conventional time-frame is ignored or derided. Fortunately, a growing amount of this evidence is being studied with scientific vigor by professional scientists who are not in the least intimidated by the evolutionary elite. ‘Out of place’ fossil footprints are now sectioned, CT scanned and investigated thoroughly. Dinosaur bones, diamonds, coal and other materials, even the sedimentary rock itself, are now tested for Carbon 14. C14 has a relatively short half-life, and should not exist in these materials if the evolutionary story is to be believed. But it does exist, and in some quantity" http://kolbecenter.org/follow-those-footprints/ See also http://kolbecenter.org/question-of-time/ "For example, Carbon 14 is an isotope formed by the radioactive decay of carbon atoms, which is not supposed to be detectable in organic material older than about 50,000 to 60,000 years because of its short half life. However, it is often found in materials dated by other methods to be millions of years old, including petroleum, coal, wood, and bone, and has even been detected in diamonds otherwise dated at billions of years of age.[10],[11],[12]"

Finally, even when clearly endogenous C-14 is found in significant quantities in living organisms alleged to be millions of years old (which it clearly shouldn't be, if "millions of years" did really pass), they still try to give excuses: "The discovery of collagen in a Tyrannosaurus-rex dinosaur femur bone was recently reported in the journal Science. Its geologic location was the Hell Creek Formation in the State of Montana, United States of America. When it was learned in 2005 that Triceratops and Hadrosaur femur bones in excellent condition were discovered by the Glendive (MT) Dinosaur & Fossil Museum, Hugh Miller asked and received permission to saw them in half and collect samples for C-14 testing of any bone collagen that might be extracted. Indeed both bones contained collagen and conventional dates of 30,890 ± 380 radiocarbon years (RC) for the Triceratops and 23,170 ±170 RC years for the Hadrosaur were obtained using the Accelerated Mass Spectrometer (AMS). Total organic carbon and/or dinosaur bone bio-apatite was then extracted and pretreated to remove potential contaminants and concordant radiocarbon dates were obtained, all of which were similar to radiocarbon dates for megafauna." http://www.sciencevsevolution.org/Holzschuh.htm

Here is Wiki finally on the Radiocarbon technique in general and the specific Accelerator Mass Sceptrometry techniques mentioned above https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating#Samples "Material considerations
It is common to reduce a wood sample to just the cellulose component before testing, but since this can reduce the volume of the sample to 20% of its original size, testing of the whole wood is often performed as well. Charcoal is often tested but is likely to need treatment to remove contaminants.[54][55] ... Other materials that have been successfully dated include ivory, paper, textiles, individual seeds and grains, straw from within mud bricks, and charred food remains found in pottery.[55] ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating#Accelerator_mass_spectrometry "AMS counts the atoms of 14C and 12C in a given sample, determining the 14C/12C ratio directly ... A 14C signal from the process blank measures the amount of contamination introduced during the preparation of the sample. These measurements are used in the subsequent calculation of the age of the sample.[72]"

The day evolutionists admit they will seriously rethink their "millions of years" dogma is the day their practically atheistic theory falls to the ground.


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Re: Diamonds offer a Priceless Proof of Earth's Young Non-Evolutionary Age!
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2018, 09:24:43 AM »
Shitty scientists wrote that article.

Radiocarbon dating is a method that provides objective age estimates for carbon-based materials that originated from living organisms.

Kaese, there's no point having a discussion with Xavier. He's convinced that he's right and nothing will change his mind. All he wants is an echo chamber of people who agree with him.
 
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Re: Diamonds offer a Priceless Proof of Earth's Young Non-Evolutionary Age!
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2018, 10:20:55 AM »
Shitty scientists wrote that article.

Radiocarbon dating is a method that provides objective age estimates for carbon-based materials that originated from living organisms.

Kaese, there's no point having a discussion with Xavier. He's convinced that he's right and nothing will change his mind. All he wants is an echo chamber of people who agree with him.

Xavier, there's no point having a discussion with Gloria Patri. He's convinced that he's right and nothing will change his mind. All he wants is an echo chamber of people who agree with him.

The level of vituperation towards Xavier and others who take manifest amounts of time to offer proof of the Glory of the Lord astounds me.
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Re: Diamonds offer a Priceless Proof of Earth's Young Non-Evolutionary Age!
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2018, 11:21:00 AM »
Shitty scientists wrote that article.

Radiocarbon dating is a method that provides objective age estimates for carbon-based materials that originated from living organisms.

Kaese, there's no point having a discussion with Xavier. He's convinced that he's right and nothing will change his mind. All he wants is an echo chamber of people who agree with him.

Xavier, there's no point having a discussion with Gloria Patri. He's convinced that he's right and nothing will change his mind. All he wants is an echo chamber of people who agree with him.

The level of vituperation towards Xavier and others who take manifest amounts of time to offer proof of the Glory of the Lord astounds me.

If I wanted an echo chamber I'd be on a forum for evolutionary biology. The fact is, every "objection" Xavier brings up has already been responded to by scientists. His biblical literalism has nothing to stand on. Of course, I don't particularly care if any of you believe in that. I'm more concerned when people like Xavier are in power and demand that such pseudoscience be taught as fact.