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Offline Joanwalsingham

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Judgement Day
« on: August 12, 2018, 01:49:32 PM »
Just a question


We're told our bodies are raised back to life on judgement day, how does it work with all the babies that are aborted/ lost through
miscarriage etc?

Surely they won't be judged because there is nothing to judge them for?
 

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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2018, 03:37:58 PM »
I heard once from my mum, on the final judgement our bodies are raised up and join our soul. Our Lord died aged 33 and so our bodies would be as if we were 33 too.
Could be rubbish but just saying what I heard
 
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2018, 03:42:17 PM »
Not rubbish. That is, if I'm not mistaken, the general consensus of the saints and theologians.
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2018, 04:03:29 PM »
Just a question


We're told our bodies are raised back to life on judgement day, how does it work with all the babies that are aborted/ lost through
miscarriage etc?

Surely they won't be judged because there is nothing to judge them for?

The Church's teaching is that unbaptized babies are consigned to limbo (since they have original sin). But I'm not sure if any theologian has ventured to speculate about their fate post-Second Coming/Last Judgement.
 

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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2018, 04:36:07 PM »
Matthew 19:26

If God created mankind once, I'm sure He can reform you again.
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2018, 05:40:22 PM »
I think that the general judgement is nothing more than the general announcement to every man of every other man's particular judgement. Unbaptized infants have already been judged and condemned. Not for their sins (as you point out, they have no personal sin), but on account of Adam's sin. So they will rise again along with everyone else, and their bodies will go to hell (or "limbo" if you want to call it that) to join in the punishment (or lack thereof) of their souls.

As for the bodies, nobody knows how it will happen exactly. But it will happen.
 

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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2018, 09:18:12 PM »
I heard once from my mum, on the final judgement our bodies are raised up and join our soul. Our Lord died aged 33 and so our bodies would be as if we were 33 too.
Could be rubbish but just saying what I heard

This is the Traditional view, so I don't know why you would think it might be "rubbish."
 

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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 10:50:37 PM »
I heard once from my mum, on the final judgement our bodies are raised up and join our soul. Our Lord died aged 33 and so our bodies would be as if we were 33 too.
Could be rubbish but just saying what I heard

I believe the age in body glorification differs between male and female.

For men, 33 years old would be an ideal age, so it makes sense.

For women, the age of Our Lady Mary (around the time of the Angelic Salutation) would be the perfect age.
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 12:43:39 AM »
I was kinda chubby at 33. I'd prefer post-Keto 34. :D
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2018, 01:38:08 AM »
lol
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2018, 03:48:31 AM »

For women, the age of Our Lady Mary (around the time of the Angelic Salutation) would be the perfect age.


Awesome.  But I would prefer age 16 to age 13.
 

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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2018, 03:59:15 AM »

For women, the age of Our Lady Mary (around the time of the Angelic Salutation) would be the perfect age.


Awesome.  But I would prefer age 16 to age 13.

Some women's bodies have just about fully developed by the age of 13 already, whereas some haven't until I suppose as late as 18.

The point is though that we won't be brought back at "age 33" or "age 13" or any specific "age", because in the next world there is no "age" or ageing as we know it now. We will be resurrected in our own bodies in their most perfectly mature and healthy state. None of the defects either of bodily immaturity (puberty / pre-pubescene) or of ageing past maturity will be present. If men in general really are in their best physical state at 33, and women at 13 or 16, then that's how we will appear, but I doubt we'll think of it in those terms any more.
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2018, 06:10:18 AM »

For women, the age of Our Lady Mary (around the time of the Angelic Salutation) would be the perfect age.


Awesome.  But I would prefer age 16 to age 13.

Some women's bodies have just about fully developed by the age of 13 already, whereas some haven't until I suppose as late as 18.

The point is though that we won't be brought back at "age 33" or "age 13" or any specific "age", because in the next world there is no "age" or ageing as we know it now. We will be resurrected in our own bodies in their most perfectly mature and healthy state. None of the defects either of bodily immaturity (puberty / pre-pubescene) or of ageing past maturity will be present. If men in general really are in their best physical state at 33, and women at 13 or 16, then that's how we will appear, but I doubt we'll think of it in those terms any more.

Thats reassuring, because Iím starting to have grey hair and Iím not even 30 yet
 

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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2018, 08:16:16 AM »
I heard once from my mum, on the final judgement our bodies are raised up and join our soul. Our Lord died aged 33 and so our bodies would be as if we were 33 too.
Could be rubbish but just saying what I heard

I believe the age in body glorification differs between male and female.

For men, 33 years old would be an ideal age, so it makes sense.

For women, the age of Our Lady Mary (around the time of the Angelic Salutation) would be the perfect age.

Is this the traditional view?

13 year old women and 33 year old men - for all eternity.

Sounds awful.

I hope you're wrong, and strongly suspect that you are.
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Re: Judgement Day
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2018, 08:19:24 AM »
I heard once from my mum, on the final judgement our bodies are raised up and join our soul. Our Lord died aged 33 and so our bodies would be as if we were 33 too.
Could be rubbish but just saying what I heard

This is the Traditional view, so I don't know why you would think it might be "rubbish."

Because a lot of my 'catechism' is word of mouth instead of 'reading' unfortunately.  My mother also spoke of Churching of the woman with baptism as being a cleansing of carrying original sin ie the baby, I was corrected here quite rightly too by a poster and he said it was nothing more than a thanksgiving prayer.  Since then I read the prayer and he was perfectly correct.
I added it as a 'just in case'  :P :P