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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2018, 05:53:15 AM »
Enjoy the years of your youth and all that energy and optimism.

It soon passes. ;D
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2018, 10:15:15 AM »
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but while your suggestion might stand for a woman whos sole ambition in life is to find a personal caretaker

So a woman who wants to get married and have kids, her "sole ambition in life" is to have someone take care of her?  You are a sick piece of sh!t.

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Likewise older women who've had careers prior to having children are financially in a better place, and their children go on to higher levels on education and higher paying careers than those who had them early with only the most basic levels of education in their respective territories.
And what do you get?  Whiny millennials.  What do you think happens to kids that scream "Mommy don't leave me, Mommy don't leave me!" every day?  What happens to the women?  Yeah, they start popping pills.  Materialism is evil and leads to empty lives.  A good job and money are merely tools.

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Please, do try to explain how encouraging a young man to have children the moment he leaves school or beforehand is a good idea, particularly when I know you're so deeply hostile to any sort of social care system.
  If you aren't Catholic or some other Prot sect that considers divorce evil, don't get married if you are a man.  And if you aren't married, don't have kids.  You'll be destroying their lives.

For Catholics and the Prots that consider divorce evil, marry young if you have a job that can support a family.  It will keep you out of sexual sin, and you will have a heck of a lot more energy to wrestle with your kids and chase the wife around and give her a spank every now and then.

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social care system
Read some Orwell.  I love your terminology, very telling.  Socialist systems are for societies that don't care.  Societies void of Charity.

"But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God (Jn 3:18)."

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2018, 03:55:55 PM »
don't watch CNN or MSNBC (unless you want to be propagandized/lied to)
 

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2018, 05:44:57 PM »
don't watch CNN or MSNBC (unless you want to be propagandized/lied to)
*don't watch tv

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2018, 08:04:39 PM »
It soon passes. ;D

Nice thing about working the trades is that youthful energy seems to last longer (assuming no serious physical injuries).

My advice to young people would be to skip past their teens and 20's and start acting 30 right out of high school.  That way there will be no regrets 10 years later that they frittered their youthful energy and optimism on stuff that contributed nothing to the future.  I was fortunate o hear enough stories from older people about stupid, youthful antics to learn that it's better to go from being a 12-year old straight to 25 and avoid the teenage years.

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2018, 08:10:30 AM »

So a woman who wants to get married and have kids, her "sole ambition in life" is to have someone take care of her?  You are a sick piece of sh!t.

You really read far too deep into what I say.

A truly "trad" wife can expect to have a rather large number of children across her life if she enjoys a happy marriage and fulfills her marital obligations as deemed by your Church without contraception. As you yourself have complained about James, having a large number of children is expensive and a lot of men struggle to provide as the sole breadwinner if the idea is even  feasible at all.

Supposing we choose the absolute ideal is true and Trad wife at twenty lands herself a man with a big salary. She doesn't work, and in ten years time either he finds himself a younger model, a fate which befalls many women and men; or even supposing he remains true, he dies.

Please explain how a woman with potentially anywhere between 6 children or more now becomes a provider with no workplace experience or marketable skills or experiences. We can't even say being a mom has given her marketable skills, most career women can say "So am I".

It's not to say obtaining a caretaker without a back up plan is to be demeaned necessarily (matters of gold digging aside), it's socially irresponsible and could be catastrophic for both her and her offspring.

You say this never happens? It occurs quite frequently among the Hasadim who generally forbid female education beyond basic homekeeping skills and these people rely on state handouts to survive. A safety net they wouldn't have if your social policies took charge as well.


 And what do you get?  Whiny millennials.  What do you think happens to kids that scream "Mommy don't leave me, Mommy don't leave me!" every day?  What happens to the women?  Yeah, they start popping pills.  Materialism is evil and leads to empty lives.  A good job and money are merely tools.

A broad sweeping generalisation rather than fact. While I have spent most of my life at the university level, I have been a manager/teacher of Kindergarten level and I've never actually seen this once past the first few weeks at school. Mommy goes to work, they have their own school work to attend to; it's routine.

Money is a tool, but one which you need far more than any evil secularist with your intention to sire as many children as "God" decides to give you from late teenage years onwards for a woman (which is quite a long fertile period) in order to survive. I've seen some of your trad families barely at survival level, and it neither helps their capacity to thrive or the likelihood of the parent's faith proceeding past their own generation.


For Catholics and the Prots that consider divorce evil, marry young if you have a job that can support a family.  It will keep you out of sexual sin, and you will have a heck of a lot more energy to wrestle with your kids and chase the wife around and give her a spank every now and then.

But it clearly doesn't. Adultery and sex abuse of both men and women have historically been rampant among both clergy and laity. Though some Catholics do possess a capacity to keep it in their pants, evidently a not inconsiderable proportion of them simply can't and often use the hush hush attitude towards sex to cover up and hide their abuses.

Just because a man has a wife does not mean he will only have sex with his wife. The ideal might well be he does not, but this ideal has never been consistently followed by all men at any point in human history. Considering that Catholics also consider masturbation a sexual sin which well...Find me a man who claims to have never jerked it and I'll show you a liar. Not that I'm a seer, psychology and human developmental biology speaks for itself.


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Read some Orwell.  I love your terminology, very telling.  Socialist systems are for societies that don't care.  Societies void of Charity.

No, I chose wording that covered your own bias towards the total abolition of basic services in favor of religious charity, a charity that studies of even previously devout countries within Europe and South America was quite frankly pathetic. There were good men and women who gave their lives to help true, but no real effort to effect wider lasting change to remove or alter the conditions in which poverty is generated and maintained.

If this was not so, please explain how these states; often these exceptionally poor states compared to neighboring countries like Ireland have somehow in less than seventy years managed to accomplish with state services what the Church has failed to do in several centuries if not more?

Social services are not charity, you're right; because charity in the Catholic sense has become little more than an act of vainglory. Social services don't give money to others for charity, they do it because it is an investment to create or restore a productive member of society. I've visited your tent cities in America, where couples even working two full time jobs can't cover rent on a shack or feed their children so are consigned to live outside under a sheet. These are not people able to produce or put back into society to develop it, but with services to restore the sick, the weak, or the lost; they have the potential and often do become productive members of society again rather than just consigned to a trashheap for the devout  to pity them and laud Jesus for his observation that "the Poor will always be among you".

Of course they bloody will be, at no point in Jesus' recorded life did he make any effort to enact wider change to adjust the conditions that created poverty (and who has more power to accomplish this than a God?), what he did was allow the situation to continue and toss out the odd scraps to glorify his father/himself! Doctors without Borders and the like don't go out to perform corporal acts of mercy to win favour with a deity, they do it because building hospitals and removing causes of disease actually stops people dying and gets them to produce in the long term.

You say this is nonsense, countries such as Ireland have firmly left the Catholic fold have become greater within thirty years than a millennia under the policies you support promoted and enforced with draconian efficiency. Dwell on that for a while.
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2018, 10:20:31 AM »
Secular Ireland is so great that they will be executing babies like the rest of us in no time.  Two men can get married now too, excellent.  Maybe they will add 50 genders to their census next go around as well.  But hey, the social services are great.

As for comparing social services in the past to now - have you considered the enormous material wealth that the industrial revolution, and especially the quasi slave labor in China, have brought to the cripplingly indebted West?  Or how about the oil bonanza that lets people haul 2,000kg of vehicle 30 miles across town in half an hour for a few bucks cost?  Or the petrochemicals that let us farm the same land over time and time again, and then the fuel that lets us ship oceanliners full of produce across the planet at low cost?  The Church did not have such productive capability centuries ago.  Pretty much no one did until just last century, just around the time your much exalted secular state took over.  Do you honestly think your secular welfare systems would so far outstrip Catholic charitable services if both were taking place five centuries years ago?

I love when someone from the West boasts about their virtuous welfare systems while ignoring that without the quasi slaves over in China & Bangladesh polluting their land in living in conditions that make our poor look luxurious none of the material extravagance of the West would be possible.  The secular West just exported all its poor and pollution to another continent and declared itself great.  What a joke.  There are a billion Asians manufacturing in horrid conditions to keep the West in affluence so that Westerners in ivory towers can declare how humane and great they are.

Catholic teaching on sexual morality did not reach perfect results?  What a surprise.  Must have been garbage, toss it out.  I'm sure life is better with a nationwide 50% divorce rate and broken families from coast to coast.
 
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2018, 10:31:11 AM »
As for the OP, read the books by James Stenson (http://www.parentleadership.com/).  Teach the teen what life is about, what a spouse is for, how picking the one with the wrong ideas in mind will likely lead to a life of misery.  Have the right frame of mind - seek a spouse who is of the same faith, looking to raise a big family, and not focused on materialism.  People do not change much, so what you see today is what you will see 30 years down the line.  Look at the parents and see what they are like.  Only date for the purpose of marriage - if you won't marry the person you are dating in a few months then end the relationship and find someone you will.  Have children young, kids are the greatest joy.

In the teenage years find what you work you like to do, find what career can be made out of it, and bust your butt to become skilled and networked by end of teens.  Most of the modern education is a total waste of time and that time should be better spent building up skills & connections to get a career that can support a family.  Once that is obtained then a real education through good books can be obtained by nightly reading.

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2018, 05:25:52 PM »
don't watch CNN or MSNBC (unless you want to be propagandized/lied to)
*don't watch tv

It's all a globohomo conspiracy to corrupt your mind. 

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But I don't like being ignorant of the things going on in this world, so i  watch the news regularly (not CNN et al of course). I know FNC is (this and that) but at least we get some of what is going on in the world
 

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2018, 05:29:37 PM »
As for the OP, read the books by James Stenson (http://www.parentleadership.com/).  Teach the teen what life is about, what a spouse is for, how picking the one with the wrong ideas in mind will likely lead to a life of misery.  Have the right frame of mind - seek a spouse who is of the same faith, looking to raise a big family, and not focused on materialism.  People do not change much, so what you see today is what you will see 30 years down the line.  Look at the parents and see what they are like.  Only date for the purpose of marriage - if you won't marry the person you are dating in a few months then end the relationship and find someone you will.  Have children young, kids are the greatest joy.

In the teenage years find what you work you like to do, find what career can be made out of it, and bust your butt to become skilled and networked by end of teens.  Most of the modern education is a total waste of time and that time should be better spent building up skills & connections to get a career that can support a family.  Once that is obtained then a real education through good books can be obtained by nightly reading.

Throw the TV out, its awful.
i agree except for the last thing about TV being awful. The news is not awful or great, it just is .. (well, you know.. u  get my drift)

Also, your post made me think of this: Parents should never forget just how little  their children know but need to know.. about the world we live in. That is one reason i watch news: so I will know what i need to know. I don't need to know who won  the Super Bowl but I feel all of us need to know what Kim Jong Un is up to and that kind of thing... Putin... yikes!
 

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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2018, 08:19:14 AM »
Re. "News"; probably the most harmful part of T.V. Because it pretends to "keep you up to date and informed" about the world around us; unfortunately as we can see in the case of Pres. Trump, the networks show you the news that they want you to see and they present it in the way that will influence your thinking in the way that they want you to think. I remember a holy priest telling my family many years ago, that he never watched the news or read the newspaper for this reason. He said that basically there is no need for us to know much of what is presented as "news" in the media, its real purpose is to fool us into thinking that we are being informed and kept up to date, and not brainwashed.
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2018, 08:28:24 AM »
Re. "News"; probably the most harmful part of T.V. Because it pretends to "keep you up to date and informed" about the world around us; unfortunately as we can see in the case of Pres. Trump, the networks show you the news that they want you to see and they present it in the way that will influence your thinking in the way that they want you to think. I remember a holy priest telling my family many years ago, that he never watched the news or read the newspaper for this reason. He said that basically there is no need for us to know much of what is presented as "news" in the media, its real purpose is to fool us into thinking that we are being informed and kept up to date, and not brainwashed.
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2018, 09:17:21 AM »
Agreed.  News is total propaganda.  What the public believes the news is is relatively unbiased data about what events are happening in the world.  In other words, the public believes the news delivers "just the facts, mam." What the news in reality is is the psychological method by which elites get the public to favor their desired goals.  In other words, news is nothing but propaganda, Pravda, Western style.  You cannot even properly glean "what is happening in the world" from the news because so much filtering goes to shape the message the elites want to get across.  At best all you can glean from the news is that some elites somewhere are aiming towards some goal related to what propaganda is being broadcast.

For example, all of this Russia stuff.  All you can get from the news on this is that there is a very large and very powerful group of elites that 1) wants to take Trump down and 2) wants to take Russia down.

This is not some recent change in the news.  The news has always been propaganda.  That is why elites own it.  That is why politicians are happy to engage with it.  If you want to fill your mind with propaganda, then go watch the news.  I cannot imagine why I would want to do that.  And yes, Fox is the same just more propaganda.

News is an addiction / obsession for most all of us.  Breaking away from it shows how addictive it is.  Next Advent or Lent give up all news and every news-type website and see how it goes. You won't miss anything.  I can already tell you what will happen:  society is going to continue its spiral into barbarism, society will continue to be more fractured, more war, more sexual deviancy, more insanity.  You can watch no news for a decade and then scan the headlines in 2028 and bank on my predictions being correct, and have saved yourself the agony of thousands upon thousands of hours watching news as it occurs.

A revelation came to me when I realized that all of the news articles were written by morons and none of it was enriching me.  Rather than spend time reading that fleeting trash, that no one even 1 day later cares about, I instead could be reading timeless classics, works of saints, spiritual reading, apologetics, or even just a good quality enjoyable novel.

Over the past few years I've made great progress towards freeing myself from the media.  I threw away the TV, use youtube almost (but not purely) exclusively for Sensus Fidelium or similar type Catholic media, never visit any news major news websites except for scanning the headlines at Zerohedge or my local Asian newspaper (to see if this dumb property bubble has ended yet).

The next major frontier for me is in decreasing computer use. That's the addiction of all addictions.
 
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Re: What advice to you have for teens as they (hopefully) grow up?
« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2018, 11:08:12 AM »
Good advice.  Read headlines only.  Saves time and you are as informed as you need to be.

Kim calls Trump Dotard.

Trump threatens Kim.

Talks happen, Trump calms things down.

Without getting into the mind of Kim and Trump how can one be more informed?

The journalists don't know anything.  They are subject to the same confirmation bias as everyone else.  Which is why they said there would be a Hillary Clinton landslide and printed a Madame President cover to Newsweek.
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