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Re: I'm Baaaack!
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2018, 07:40:18 PM »
Jovan,
You might look for books by Isaiah Bennett. He was a Carmelite priest who ended up leaving the Church, becoming a Mormon, and then several years later coming back into the Church.

He has written extensively about Mormonism, as he actually taught at a high level for them for 2 years and wasn't a simple "convert" -- he knows exactly what they believe inside the institution.

He is no longer active as a priest, as the Bishop in his diocese and his Superior felt that due to the public nature of the scandal of it he should not be seen as a priest in a ministerial capacity.

I recently got both Inside Mormonism and When Mormons Call. They're on my reading list.

Interestingly, one of the things which brought him back was when he called Patrick Madrid, whom he had know while a Carmelite, in an attempt to explain himself. Patrick argued with him for over an hour, but one thing which really stuck in Bennett's craw was when Patrick stated, "Isaiah, how could you abandon Christ in the Eucharist?" He couldn't get the question out of his head. He just heard it over and over.
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Re: I'm Baaaack!
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2018, 03:49:43 AM »
Hi Jovan! Wonderful news!  8)
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Re: I'm Baaaack!
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2018, 07:46:17 AM »
Wow, Jovan. This is awesome. So happy for you. Hope you and your wife have lifelong peace and joy in the Lord henceforth.
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Re: I'm Baaaack!
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2018, 08:42:46 AM »
Great come back Jovan.
Like John Vennari (RIP) said "Why not just do it?  What would it hurt?"
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Re: I'm Baaaack!
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2018, 02:19:17 PM »
Jovan,
You might look for books by Isaiah Bennett.

Thanks, but I doubt that it would do any good. Tim was a very active Catholic in the NO sense. He was an EMHC and reader, daily Mass goer, the works. He also was (and is) a hardcore neocon politically. He left the Church, quite literally, when he was at a daily Mass at a liberal NO Parish in the Bay Area of California.

You know how many NO Priests at the Prayers of the People at daily Mass sort of throw them open, allowing individuals to make up their own intentions? Well, Tim had a brother serving on the frontline in Afghanistan when someone actually prayed that God would give the enemy the victory and that the American soldiers would be killed!

Tim got up, walked out of the Church and has never set foot in a Catholic Church since. Later, he discovered Mormonism, and has immersed himself in its pseudohistory, scifi theology, and other aspects of the pagan cult.

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Re: I'm Baaaack!
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2018, 02:51:44 PM »
Jovan,
You might look for books by Isaiah Bennett.

Thanks, but I doubt that it would do any good. Tim was a very active Catholic in the NO sense. He was an EMHC and reader, daily Mass goer, the works. He also was (and is) a hardcore neocon politically. He left the Church, quite literally, when he was at a daily Mass at a liberal NO Parish in the Bay Area of California.

You know how many NO Priests at the Prayers of the People at daily Mass sort of throw them open, allowing individuals to make up their own intentions? Well, Tim had a brother serving on the frontline in Afghanistan when someone actually prayed that God would give the enemy the victory and that the American soldiers would be killed!

Tim got up, walked out of the Church and has never set foot in a Catholic Church since. Later, he discovered Mormonism, and has immersed himself in its pseudohistory, scifi theology, and other aspects of the pagan cult.

Argument won't work, which is why I asked for prayers.

That's absolutely awful. It's also an awful reason to leave the Church -- one moron's stupidity.

Bennett deals with the exact things he's immersed himself in, though. All I'm saying is it cannot hurt to know an insider-turned-revert's perspective.
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