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Again, you avoided every single quote from the saints detailing the problems.

You seem to have difficulty understanding when a quote is relevant to the point you are trying to make.  When you quote a Saint condemning dancing, it does not show that there is something wrong with my ability to judge TV shows.  You like to amass large numbers of quotes, but they are rarely relevant.  I am not avoiding the quotes.  I am ignoring them because they are irrelevant.

Similarly your secular article that says that some TV characters may be a bad influence on children is not relevant because I do not have any children that age.  Young Justice is a show that I and my grown children watch.

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Believe me, had they lived in the time when media existed and not only dancing and books

Jerome, when exactly do you think "The Media" came into being?

I have a media studies degree, and our "Intro to Communications and Media studies" started out with cave drawings and cuneiform :) 
 

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Again, you avoided every single quote from the saints detailing the problems.

You seem to have difficulty understanding when a quote is relevant to the point you are trying to make.  When you quote a Saint condemning dancing, it does not show that there is something wrong with my ability to judge TV shows.  You like to amass large numbers of quotes, but they are rarely relevant.  I am not avoiding the quotes.  I am ignoring them because they are irrelevant.

Similarly your secular article that says that some TV characters may be a bad influence on children is not relevant because I do not have any children that age.  Young Justice is a show that I and my grown children watch.

One thing trolls like to do is flood comment boxes and forums with giant spans of text that contain so many "points" that it's impossible for normal people with lives to respond to all of it, then the troll complains that they did not respond to any of their "points" or in this case, "quotes."
I ain't got time to read that crap, unsure how someone has time to write it all. 

Get a job, volunteer at a soup kitchen, organize some public Offices.  Do something other than wage a one man war.

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Very young children can be kept away from TV shows entirely.  As children grow older, they need to be trained in discernment and critical thinking.  I watch TV with them and we analyze the shows together so my children can learn to recognize the subtle messages being conveyed.

Some day one's children leave home and are responsible for making their own decisions.  I train my children for that day.

The problems that you seem concerned with are not the most serious ones.  The media are a major source of indoctrination in Leftist ideology and anti-Catholic bias.  There is a battle for people's minds.  I want my children to know how to defend themselves. I want my children to understand what is wrong with TV at a much deeper level than you do.
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Again, you avoided every single quote from the saints detailing the problems.

You seem to have difficulty understanding when a quote is relevant to the point you are trying to make.  When you quote a Saint condemning dancing, it does not show that there is something wrong with my ability to judge TV shows.  You like to amass large numbers of quotes, but they are rarely relevant.  I am not avoiding the quotes.  I am ignoring them because they are irrelevant.

Similarly your secular article that says that some TV characters may be a bad influence on children is not relevant because I do not have any children that age.  Young Justice is a show that I and my grown children watch.

One thing trolls like to do is flood comment boxes and forums with giant spans of text that contain so many "points" that it's impossible for normal people with lives to respond to all of it, then the troll complains that they did not respond to any of their "points" or in this case, "quotes."

Im not even a normal person with a life and I don't have time to read all the novels he posts.... And I have read war and peace
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I have a Saint quote too.

St. Fraincis de Sales. Introduction to the Devout Life Ch. XXIII

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Sports, balls, plays, festivities, pomps, are not in themselves evil, but rather indifferent matters, capable of being used for good or ill; but nevertheless they are dangerous, and it is still more dangerous to take great delight in them. Therefore, my child, I say that although it is lawful to amuse yourself, to dance, dress, feast, and see seemly plays,--at the same time, if you are much addicted to these things, they will hinder your devotion, and become extremely hurtful and dangerous to you. The harm lies, not in doing them, but in the degree to which you care for them.
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Very young children can be kept away from TV shows entirely.  As children grow older, they need to be trained in discernment and critical thinking.  I watch TV with them and we analyze the shows together so my children can learn to recognize the subtle messages being conveyed.

First you said that you did not agree with my assessment on the show even though I provided proof and sources demonstrating that such and like shows are evil, contains evil things, in addition to having a bad influence on others. When I called you out on this you avoided the issue. When pressed more you finally agreed with that it was bad, had bad characters etc., but as an excuse said that you don't watch such shows with children (anymore), so none of it applies to you. When asked further whether you approve of children watching such shows since you excused yourself with that your children now are grown, up as if that somehow makes any difference, you implied that you let children watch such shows, and you did not deny it.

What your responses shows is that you are trying to be ambiguous. If this was an indifferent topic; not a dangerous occasion; not a bad example, etc. you would speak more frankly and honestly, but since you know in your conscience that this is not an indifferent topic and is even a dangerous one, you are trying to avoid being clear. We both know the reason for this.

So in essence, you do approve of children getting exposed to magic, occultism, new ageism, false doctrines, ungodlinesses, uncharities, bad behaviors, bad influences, immodest dress, lasciviousnesses, brainwashings and indoctrinatings etc. And for what? For a supposed instruction? Perhaps you really (and in vain) believe this and that it could have a "good" effect, but this is probably not the first reason. Is a more probable reason a vain addiction to the media, perhaps? Yes, probably more likely.

If you think the world or our children would become any better by being exposed to such media for the reasons you mentioned, think again. Why do you think people and children in general are so brainwashed today and the world enveloped in such a spiritual darkness? Because the media is good or teaches our children or ourselves good morals? Evidently not. “Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times. Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked, without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness, Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God: Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

This is what Catholic and biblical prophecy foretold of our days, and this is perfectly applicable to media and what it does to people, and especially children, as the news article I already quoted demonstrated, where it was explained how evil many children have become because of the media they get brainwashed by when imitating the evil characters they adore and look up to.

“Xin San, an arrogant kindergarten student, bullies the weak, battles the strong, and constantly lusts after women - lots of women... She said many students like to imitate the actions of these cartoon kids, causing trouble in the classroom and at home. ... Unfortunately, children are picking up those rebellious attitudes. Zhang said that many children now bully their parents into buying them a new toy - a trick that they picked up from Chibi Maruko Chan (undoubtedly they also bully their weaker classmates as they have been taught). Even worse, she said, some young boys lustfully gaze at their girl classmates.”

Sounds familiar to 2 Timothy 3:1-5? Yes, certainly.

So, in essence, the only thing that will happen to our children if we permit them to watch such things is that they will grow accustomed and addicted to the media (as evidently is the case with most people today in the richer countries), and when this happens, it will become almost entirely impossible to ever get them to stop watching it, as all the threads on this topic already have proven without any doubt! "Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6)

Yes, we can see how well you have "educated" your children when they now continue the trend you taught them to watch such shows, and perhaps your children even let let their own children watch such shows and get exposed and brainwashed by it. If you had nothing to do with this, you are not at fault, but it seems you are very much at fault.

When people sometimes write on traditional forums that they are dismayed at how their children could apostatize when grown up, or became corrupted, lax, Vatican II-ish, homosexual, etc., even though they were trained up as "good traditional Catholics", my thoughts immediately first comes to the media and the television issues (also video games are bad and some even right out evil, immodest and occultic) etc., and I wonder if this did not have something to do with it and if perhaps the parents did not allow their children to watch the media and get exposed, influenced and corrupted by it. (Surfing the internet is perhaps even worse, especially if done with images enabled, and without flash/html5 blockers and ad blockers; since in addition to having access to the same kinds of media, they also have access to innumerable lascivious images and ads that will help them to fall into mortal sin almost daily. Relevant post: Why one must Block Images and not only Block bad Websites.)

And if they can watch this show, then one can only shudder at the thought of what other things they watch, or let their children watch and get exposed to. People who are addicted to media watch almost anything really and sometimes even let their children or teenagers watch it, and they do not really care if it contains immodest scenes, nude scenes, or all kinds of other evils, depravities, and brainwashings, or even things directly contrary to the word of God or God himself, such as magic, false doctrines, fornication and adultery, lasciviousnesses, homosexuality, blasphemy, taking God's name in vain, etc. Since people have no fear of God or of damnation anymore, and they apparently think they are saved however they live their life or whatever they expose themselves to or however badly they instruct their children, even though scriptures is clear that most are damned and that the Church and the saints are clear that those who expose themselves to the fire and to the occasions of sinning will get burnt and cannot be saved; yet they do not fear exposing themselves to such things and even watch things which is directly offensive and odious to God, and even let their children watch such or like things, and approves of it!


Some day one's children leave home and are responsible for making their own decisions.  I train my children for that day. The problems that you seem concerned with are not the most serious ones.  The media are a major source of indoctrination in Leftist ideology and anti-Catholic bias.  There is a battle for people's minds.  I want my children to know how to defend themselves. I want my children to understand what is wrong with TV at a much deeper level than you do.

The best medicine against the corruptions, brainwashings etc. of the world is not to indulge in it or expose oneself or others to it, but rather to avoid it. Even many seculars agree that throwing out the television (media etc.) was one of the best things they ever did in order to avoid this poison and corruption!

And no, the only thing you have done is to have trained yourself and your children to become addicted to evil and bad media, which in turn, so it seems, have made them continue this trend that you taught them so well when they now themselves, apparently, continue to watch such things, and perhaps even allow their own children to watch such evil and bad media, and to become addicted to it and all the evils it includes, such as: ungodlinesses, false doctrines, immodest dress, bad and dangerous examples, bad scenes, lascivious scenes, immoralities, occasions of sinning, nudes scenes, sex scenes, blasphemies, praising and normalizing of sins, magic, occultism, new ageism, paganism, and worse.

Even though you don't want to see it now, you will see all the bad fruits of it in the day of judgment. Mark my words.

You need to read these threads if you have not already:


Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" is filled with mortal sins:

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=15694.0


Questions & Answers: Why watching media is a bad idea for you and your children:

http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=15925.0


I have a Saint quote too.

St. Fraincis de Sales. Introduction to the Devout Life Ch. XXIII

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Sports, balls, plays, festivities, pomps, are not in themselves evil, but rather indifferent matters, capable of being used for good or ill; but nevertheless they are dangerous, and it is still more dangerous to take great delight in them. Therefore, my child, I say that although it is lawful to amuse yourself, to dance, dress, feast, and see seemly plays,--at the same time, if you are much addicted to these things, they will hinder your devotion, and become extremely hurtful and dangerous to you. The harm lies, not in doing them, but in the degree to which you care for them.

If you think St. Francis de Sales was approving of bad entertainment, or that he would speak approvingly of any of the evils found throughout the modern day media as "indifferent matters", or as "not in themselves evil", such as evil tv-shows containing, among other things: bad influences, magic, occultism, new ageism, paganism, false doctrines, blasphemies, uncharities, lasciviousnesses, immodest dress, taking God's name in vain, sex scenes, nude scenes, pornographic scenes, bad examples, occasions of sinnings, brainwashings and indoctrinatings of adults and youth alike, impieties, praising of sin and making it appear as good and praiseworthy, such as by normalizing and praising homosexuality and other evils, etc., ad infinitum, then you are blind, not honest, and in fact living in wilful ignorance and denial of the truth.

When a person does not want to change, this is the behavior to be expected.


I have a Saint quote too.

And I have many:

“For a person does not become a father simply because he helped to bring about the birth of a child, but by raising the child correctly.” (St. Chrysostom, Sermon regarding Anna, Homily 1, PG 54, 636) In truth, St. Chrysostom is completely right in saying that those who refuse to educate their children in the true Catholic Faith and morality are the very reason for all kinds of evils in society. “The reason for the overturning of all things is that we aren’t caring for our own children. We take care of their bodies, but we ignore the upbringing of their souls.” Chrysostom goes on to ask, “Do you want a child that is obedient? From their first steps, feed them on the wisdom and counsels of the Lord.”

If we showed the same interest in the spiritual education of children as we do in their education in other spheres, we would forestall many evils. “When the father of a very gentle child only gives him sweets, refreshments, and whatever he likes when he’s ill, but not what he actually needs for his sickness; or if a doctor checks him out and confesses, "What can I do? I can’t stand to see the child cry." Poor, foolish traitor! The only name I can’t give such a person is that of father. How much better it would be for you if you upset your child a little bit so that he might be healthy for all time, rather than making this fleeting pleasure the foundation for continuous sorrow.” (St. Chrysostom, On the Acts of the Apostles, Homily 30, PG 60, 226) With the satisfaction of the child’s every desire, we make him egocentric, and with such a character, he will be unhappy in the world. The Saint encourages us to “be like sculptors and make every effort to make your children wonderful sculptures that look like God. It will happen if you take away everything that is unnecessary, if you add whatever is necessary, and if you check daily to see what physical defects they have that you can fix.” (St. John Chrysostom, On Vanity and the Upbringing of Children)

“He that loveth his son, frequently chastiseth him, that he may rejoice in his latter end... Give thy son his way, and he shall make thee afraid: play with him, and he shall make thee sorrowful. Laugh not with him, lest thou have sorrow, and at the last thy teeth be set on edge. Give him not liberty in his youth, and wink not at his devices. Bow down his neck while he is young, and beat his sides while he is a child, lest he grow stubborn, and regard thee not, and so be a sorrow of heart to thee. Instruct thy son, and labour about him, lest his lewd behaviour be an offence to thee.” (Ecclesiasticus 30:1-13)

Ye fathers, educate your children in the Lord, bringing them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord; and teach them such trades as are agreeable and suitable to the word [i.e., in agreement with the word of God, which this and most other things broadcasted on the media today evidently are not], lest they by such opportunity become extravagant, and continue without punishment from their parents, and so get relaxation before their time, and go astray from that which is good. Wherefore be not afraid to reprove them, and to teach them wisdom with severity. For your corrections will not kill them, but rather preserve them. As Solomon says somewhere in the book of Wisdom: "Chasten thy son, and he will refresh thee; so wilt thou have good hope of him. Thou verily shalt smite him with the rod, and shall deliver his soul from death." (Prov. 29:17, 19:18, 23:14.) And again, says the same Solomon thus, "He that spareth his rod, hateth his son;" (Prov. 13:24) and afterwards, "Beat his sides whilst he is an infant, lest he be hardened and disobey thee." (Ecclus. 30:12) He, therefore, that neglects to admonish and instruct his own son, hates his own child. Do you therefore teach your children the word of the Lord [i.e., things in conformity with the word of God, which most things broadcasted in the media today evidently are not]. Bring them under with cutting stripes, and make them subject from their infancy, teaching them the Holy Scriptures, which are Christian and divine, and delivering to them every sacred writing, "not giving them such liberty that they get the mastery," (Ecclus. 30:11) and act against your opinion, not permitting them to club together for a treat with their equals. For so they will be turned to disorderly courses, and will fall into fornication; and if this happen by the carelessness of their parents, those that begat them will be guilty of their souls. For if the offending children get into the company of debauched persons [such as by the media their parents let them watch] by the negligence of those that begat them, they will not be punished alone by themselves; but their parents also will be condemned on their account. For this cause endeavour, at the time when they are of an age fit for marriage, to join them in wedlock, and settle them together, test in the heat and fervour of their age their course of life become dissolute, and you be required to give an account by the Lord God in the day of judgment.” (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book IV, Section II, Chapter XI.--On Domestic and Social Life Of Parents and Children)

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Very young children can be kept away from TV shows entirely.  As children grow older, they need to be trained in discernment and critical thinking.  I watch TV with them and we analyze the shows together so my children can learn to recognize the subtle messages being conveyed.

First you said that the you did not agree with my assessment on the show even though I provided proof and sources demonstrating that such and like shows are evil and a have a bad influence on others. When I called you out in this you avoided the issue. When finally pressed more you agreed it was bad but as an excuse said that you don't watch such shows with children (anymore) so none of it applies to you. When asked further whether you approve of children watching such shows since you excuse yourself with that your children now are grown up as if that somehow makes any difference, you implied that you let children watch such shows, and you did not deny it.

What your responses shows is that you trying to be ambiguous. If this was an indifferent topic; not a dangerous occasion; not a bad example, etc. you would speak more frankly and honestly, but since you know in your conscience that this is not an indifferent topic and is even a dangerous one, you are trying to avoid being clear. We both know the reason for this.

So in essence, you do approve of children getting exposed to magic, occultism, new ageism, false doctrines, ungodlinesses, uncharities, bad behaviors, bad influences, immodest dress, lasciviousnesses, brainwashings and indoctrinatings etc. And for what? For a supposed instruction? Perhaps you really (and in vain) believe this and that it could have a "good" effect, but this is probably not the first reason. Is a more probable reason a vain addiction to the media, perhaps? Yes, probably more likely.

Now you are presuming to know my reasons for my actions.  You even prefer your own theories to my explicit explanations of my reasons.  This is unquestionably rash judgement.  You are a hypocrite who writes a post on the evils of rash judgement while you yourself rashly judge others.

You have proven nothing.  You seem to think that offering up a quote, however irrelevant, is the same as proof.  For example, you cite a few quotes on the duties of parents and, in your mind, you have proven that I am a bad parent.  However, you actually have no idea how well I fulfill the duties of parents and are in no position to judge this.


Some day one's children leave home and are responsible for making their own decisions.  I train my children for that day. The problems that you seem concerned with are not the most serious ones.  The media are a major source of indoctrination in Leftist ideology and anti-Catholic bias.  There is a battle for people's minds.  I want my children to know how to defend themselves. I want my children to understand what is wrong with TV at a much deeper level than you do.

The best medicine against the corruptions, brainwashings etc. of the world is not to indulge in it or expose oneself or others to it, but rather to avoid it. Even many seculars agree that throwing out the television (media etc.) was one of the best things they ever did in order to avoid this poison and corruption!

I have not had a connected television for years.  The TV shows we saw we watched on DVD or online. I am more aware of the dangers of television than you are, since you list some absurd things and miss out the most serious ones.  The best medicine is vaccination.  They need to be given just enough of it to build up an immunity.  Otherwise they are in far more danger of succumbing when they are eventually exposed.

It is not possible to keep one's children away from TV for their entire lives.  They grow up and need to make their own decisions and one's duty as a parent is to prepare them for this.  Making TV a completely forbidden thing makes children curious about it.  For a some temperaments, it makes them even more inclined to watch it.  It is more effective to teach them how the brainwashing works so they understand why they need to avoid it.

I have seven children ranging from 15 to 35 years.  You have none.  Who is more likely to know about this?  I have decades of experience.  You have irrelevant quotes. 


There are some really bad TV shows out there.  I wouldn't watch them  I would not let a child under my roof watch them.  I would explain my objections to my grown children.  Young Justice does not fall in this category. 

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Jerome, there is a long-standing dynamic on this forum in which two groups tend to disagree on laxity/strictness in regard music, media, clothing, etc.

In terms of these categories, I fall on the strict side.  While I am careful not to exceed Church teaching in what I tell others to do, my personal practices usually match those of the strict position and that is where my sympathies lie.  Often in debates on these sorts of topics, people accuse the strict side of being judgmental and holier-than-thou.  In most cases, this is an unfair accusation and I object to it.

Rather than persuading people to change their behaviour, you are helping the lax side to feel justified in continuing it and in looking down those of us on the strict side.  You are arguing for your positions so badly that it makes all of us look bad.  You give ammunition to anyone looking for excuses to be worldly.  You are a living example of circumstances under which it is wrong to do fraternal correction.

I can only hope that somebody will come along on the lax side who is as bad at supporting their position as you are for ours.  No doubt, I shall find such a person extremely annoying, but it will make the sides more evenly matched.
 


 
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Now you are presuming to know my reasons for my actions.  You even prefer your own theories to my explicit explanations of my reasons.  This is unquestionably rash judgement.  You are a hypocrite who writes a post on the evils of rash judgement while you yourself rashly judge others.

Again, this is the definition of rash judgment:

"RASH JUDGMENT. An act of mind that, on the basis of insufficient evidence".

I have a lot of evidence. This whole thread is full of them, and deeds and actions speak louder than empty words.

Your "explanations" are not valid explanations, but are excuses. If you had a case, you would address the points brought up, but you don't. Instead you focus on totally irrelevant points of rash judgment (which I am not guilty of by the way), and you ignore everything else. You won't fool me, just like the women defending dancing did not fool St. John Vianney.

My "own" theories, as you call them, are based on what such shows are based upon, what they contain, and what other testify about them and the evil effects they have, and even what other secular sources says about them and how they affect our children; also what the saints thinks of similar but lesses evil and dangerous entertainments, and the bad effects it has on you and your children. But you don't care anything about that.


You have proven nothing.  You seem to think that offering up a quote, however irrelevant, is the same as proof.  For example, you cite a few quotes on the duties of parents and, in your mind, you have proven that I am a bad parent.  However, you actually have no idea how well I fulfill the duties of parents and are in no position to judge this.

We will see who is right in the day of judgment about these "hellish amusements", as St. John Vianney called them.


I have not had a connected television for years.  The TV shows we saw we watched on DVD or online. I am more aware of the dangers of television than you are, since you list some absurd things and miss out the most serious ones.  The best medicine is vaccination.  They need to be given just enough of it to build up an immunity.  Otherwise they are in far more danger of succumbing when they are eventually exposed.

To still expose oneself by dvds and online videos/media is not much different; at least not with regards to the material you choose to watch. But it is good that you do not watch the television at least anymore.


It is not possible to keep one's children away from TV for their entire lives.

Yes it is. Just don't own one and don't permit dvds and online videos be be seen in your home.

If they choose to watch things by their own free will, then it is their fault, and not ours, provided we did all we can in order not to expose them to this "hellish amusement" by our own choice.


They grow up and need to make their own decisions and one's duty as a parent is to prepare them for this.  Making TV a completely forbidden thing makes children curious about it.  For a some temperaments, it makes them even more inclined to watch it.  It is more effective to teach them how the brainwashing works so they understand why they need to avoid it.

The Amish seems to do pretty well without these things.

As was already noted: The only thing that will happen to our children if we permit them to watch such things: is that they will grow accustomed and become addicted to the media; and when this happens, it will become almost impossible to get them stop watching it. The bible is clear on that: "Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6) Most parents' children probably proves this, since their own children probably watch media just as they were taught by their own parents. Doubt it not!


I have seven children ranging from 15 to 35 years.  You have none.  Who is more likely to know about this?  I have decades of experience.  You have irrelevant quotes.

I have experience also, but not children. But children is not necessary, since otherwise you would have to exclude literally the whole ecclesiastical hierarchy in the Church.

What I have, and which you don't, by the way, is that I don't watch media, nor do I desire to watch it; as you do, as when you said you look forward to the new season of this show as discussed in this thread; which means that I will not excuse my self as you do in order to continue watching it. That is why you avoid the evidence, and I don't. That is why I present real proof, scientific researches, biblical passages, saint quotes (St. Alphonsus was also unmarried, by the way!), whereas you don't do anything of the kind. In fact, you act more like the women St. John Vianney condemned for allowing their children to go to dances (they acted out of their own "prudence" and judgment on these matters, which was not very prudent at all!); dances, which could be considered as even less dangerous than most things brodcasted in the media today!


There are some really bad TV shows out there.  I wouldn't watch them  I would not let a child under my roof watch them.  I would explain my objections to my grown children.  Young Justice does not fall in this category.

So you would let children watch Young Justice?

It is really a marvel how you can approve Young Justice when it contains immodest dress, lasciviousnesses, new ageism, occultism, magic and sorcery, fairy tales, violence, bad examples and bad characters etc. All of these things are not only condemned by the Word of God, but also by all the saints. But you don't care about that; I have noticed that.

Besides, if one can watch and approve of this show, then it logically leads to approving of all kinds of other similar shows that are perhaps a little worse than this; and then a little worse then that;and than a little worse than that. Were do you draw the limit exactly?

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Now you are presuming to know my reasons for my actions.  You even prefer your own theories to my explicit explanations of my reasons.  This is unquestionably rash judgement.  You are a hypocrite who writes a post on the evils of rash judgement while you yourself rashly judge others.

Again, this is the definition of rash judgment:

"RASH JUDGMENT. An act of mind that, on the basis of insufficient evidence".

I have a lot of evidence. This whole thread is full of them, and deeds and actions speak louder than empty words.

Your "explanations" are not valid explanations, but are excuses. If you had a case, you would address the points brought up, but you don't. Instead you focus on totally irrelevant points of rash judgment (which I am not guilty of by the way), and you ignore everything else. You won't fool me, just like the women defending dancing did not fool St. John Vianney.

You cannot possibly know my motives other than what I say of them.  Making up motives for others actions is a form of rash judgement and one that you are guilty of.

I see little resemblance between you and St. John Vianney.  If you had real holiness, you would not keep engaging in fraternal correction which you are not qualified to do.  You would not commit rash judgement.


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My "own" theories, as you call them, are based on what such shows are based upon, what they contain, and what other testify about them and the evil effects they have, and even what other secular sources says about them and how they affect our children; also what the saints thinks of similar but lesses evil and dangerous entertainments, and the bad effects it has on you and your children. But you don't care anything about that.

More rash judgement.
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Now you are presuming to know my reasons for my actions.  You even prefer your own theories to my explicit explanations of my reasons.  This is unquestionably rash judgement.  You are a hypocrite who writes a post on the evils of rash judgement while you yourself rashly judge others.

Again, this is the definition of rash judgment:

"RASH JUDGMENT. An act of mind that, on the basis of insufficient evidence".

I have a lot of evidence. This whole thread is full of them, and deeds and actions speak louder than empty words.

Your "explanations" are not valid explanations, but are excuses. If you had a case, you would address the points brought up, but you don't. Instead you focus on totally irrelevant points of rash judgment (which I am not guilty of by the way), and you ignore everything else. You won't fool me, just like the women defending dancing did not fool St. John Vianney.

You cannot possibly know my motives other than what I say of them.  Making up motives for others actions is a form of rash judgement and one that you are guilty of.

I see little resemblance between you and St. John Vianney.  If you had real holiness, you would not keep engaging in fraternal correction which you are not qualified to do.  You would not commit rash judgement.

I know your motives in this thread: excusing bad and immoral shows containing magic, sorcery, immodest dress, lasciviousness, occultism, new ageism, false doctrines, bad examples etc. You excuse this and don't want to see any problem with it, nor do you want to admit you should not watch it or that children such not watch it.

I don't make up these motives, words, or actions. You have admitted to all of this yourself. I don't know what games you are trying to play, but it is true to say that “The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite” (Ecclesiastes 1:15).

I have never claimed to have holiness. I merely use St. John Vianney as an example of how other women excused similar dangerous entertainment merely by their own private judgment and prudence; and some perhaps even rejecting his admissions and warnings.

I can see similarities from what is occurring in this thread.


My "own" theories, as you call them, are based on what such shows are based upon, what they contain, and what other testify about them and the evil effects they have, and even what other secular sources says about them and how they affect our children; also what the saints thinks of similar but lesses evil and dangerous entertainments, and the bad effects it has on you and your children. But you don't care anything about that.

More rash judgement.

Then why don't you reject such shows and accept the Word of God when He absolutely condemns magic and sorcery and immodest dress and fairy tales and false doctrines and the giving of bad examples? or when all the saints teach the same?

“For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

For example, this is what St. Alphonsus thinks of reading even romances, which in themselves contained nothing obscene (which can't be said of the kind of shows you approve of)!

Fathers should not allow their children to read romances. These sometimes do more harm than even obscene books; they put fantastical notions and affections into young persons heads, which destroy all devotion, and afterwards impel them to give themselves up to sin. "Vain reading," says St. Bonaventure, "begets vain thoughts and extinguishes devotion." Make your children read spiritual books, ecclesiastical histories, and the lives of the saints.” (The complete ascetical works of St. Alphonsus, vol. 15, pp. 480-482)

“Fr. Faber agrees completely with St. Alphonsus on this point. In the middle of "Growth in Holiness" he suddenly breaks off to write a few pages describing how horrified he was by popular trend of the day in the 1850's for females to read romance novels like those of the Bronte sisters. He called this practice a "hothouse of every vice." Like St. Alphonsus, he believed that the long-term emotional damage caused by romance novels might be worse than the effect of reading outright immorality.”

Again, empty words means absolutely nothing. But that is what you seem to be arguing when you claim this or that even though your actions contradict your own words! Actions, deeds and omissions often tells much more of a person.

"Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith [or words] only?" (James 2:24)

If you actually cared about what the saints teach, and what the word of God says, you would not defend such shows.

If you where honest, you would admit that no saint, or even an ecclesiastic, much less pope, would have approve of such shows, even as little as 100 years ago, or even less than that!