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Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« on: November 07, 2016, 06:16:30 PM »
I came across this article:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scottericalt/after-sick-political-stunt-fr-pavones-faculties-should-be-suspended/

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As you might have read from Mary Pezzulo, Mark Shea, or Matthew Tyson, Fr. Frank Pavone put the remains of an aborted child on an altar, filmed a video, and posted a still shot at Priests for Life for the purpose, so he said, of defeating Hillary Clinton and electing Donald Trump. I am not going to link to the Facebook post; you can go find it if you are so inclined (graphic image warning). But that is what he said:

"I am showing [this dead child] to you because in this election we have to decide whether we will allow this child killing to continue or not. Hillary Clinton and the                   Democratic platform says yes … Donald Trump and the Republican platform says no."

So Fr. Pavone makes no secret that he put that dead child up on the altar and filmed him and plastered a stillon Facebook in order to lobby for a particular presidential candidate.

Is that what the altar of sacrifice in a Catholic Church is for? No. Says Canon 1239:

An altar, whether fixed or movable, is to be reserved for divine worship alone, to the exclusion of any secular usage.
The altar is intended for a sacramental purpose, as the place where the priest celebrates Mass.

I am going to be, excuse the pun, frank: What Fr. Pavone did was a sacrilege. It is a violation of canon law, which states that the altar is consecrated for one purpose and one purpose only. It is consecrated for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It is not consecrated so that a dead child can be placed there as part of a political stunt to lobby for a favored presidential candidate.

More than that, what Fr. Pavone did is the opposite of pro-life. Being pro-life is about respecting the dignity of the human person. It is the antithesis of respect for the dignity of the human person to use a dead child as a political prop to lobby for your presidential candidate the day before an election. This does no honor to the dead.

In consequence, Fr. Pavone’s ordinary should suspend his faculties–at least his faculty to celebrate Mass. There is no other way to put it than that this is a sacrilege and a scandal. The human person is not a prop for a political stunt. This is an offense to the purpose for which priests are ordained to use the altar.

This article comes from a source that I do not trust at all, but it's true that there was a video like this. I saw it.  Is this charge of sacrilege well-founded?
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 06:19:41 PM »
Oh dear! No, that's not right. Maybe he too has the election crazies.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2016, 06:28:14 PM »
Pray for him. I can only imagine the horror that he lives with in this fight. I have a fraction of a percent of the exposure to the savagery that is abortion than he does and it warps me to think about it. Are his actions sacrilegious? I don't know. But if sacrilege can be weighted it makes more sense than a beach ball, so there's that.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 06:31:48 PM »
Yeah, I was thinking about the beach ball incident too.  I think they are pretty similar.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2016, 06:43:39 PM »
It was sacrilegous, but I'll give Fr. Pavone the benefit of the doubt that he is ignorant canon law forbids this.  His intentions were very good.  We need Fr. Pavone and pro-life activism, but pro-life activists (I use to be one) can sometimes get understandably crazed.

Take a look at the video and take a moment to look at the aborted child, especially if you're still wavering whether or not to vote for Trump tomorrow.
 
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2016, 06:50:50 PM »
It was sacrilegous, but I'll give Fr. Pavone the benefit of the doubt that he is ignorant canon law forbids this.  His intentions were very good.  We need Fr. Pavone and pro-life activism, but pro-life activists (I use to be one) can sometimes get understandably crazed.

Take a look at the video and take a moment to look at the aborted child, especially if you're still wavering whether or not to vote for Trump tomorrow.

Many on the left 'personally deplore abortion' or hold it as part of the 'seamless garment' of Church teaching, one issue among many. Is it worse than, say, to give a totally random example, of an Argentine man of the cloth putting a beach ball on the altar? Fr Pavone broke rules, but only for the best of intentions.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2016, 07:12:02 PM »
Eye of the Tiber did a satire piece on it.

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Officials at the atheist organization Blaspheme Inc. announced today that they are suing Father Frank Pavone for copyright infringement after the pro-life advocate placed the remains of an aborted baby on an altar,  thereby infringing upon the exclusive rights of the organization.
“We patented the whole ‘offering a dead child on the altar and invoking the name of an enemy of Jesus as savior’ thing years ago,” Satanist High Priest Horace Beelzebub told EOTT this morning.

“Look,” Rev. Beelzebub continued, “I get that you guys are into the whole ‘all things to all’ deal. And I recognize that in your zeal to get Trump elected president, you feel the need to cut some moral corners. But even we Satanists have standards. At least when we offer children in sacrifice, it’s to a respectable fallen angel or to an elder god. Something transcendent and metaphysical, you know? It profits us Satanists something to lose our soul.”

At press time, Planned Parenthood officials are outraged and scandalized by Pavone’s actions, and are calling for his resignation.
http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2016/11/07/satanists-sue-fr-frank-pavone-for-copyright-infringement/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

I lol'd.  But then I felt guilty.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2016, 07:35:18 PM »
Liberals are caring about canon law and liturgical instructions?  Oh my.

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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2016, 07:36:18 PM »
I think that he had good intentions but that he went too far in an attempt to get Trump a few more last minute votes before the election. The problem is that you can't do evil that good may come of it. I think that this was unjust. Putting a corpse on an altar is unnecessary desecration, and there are also questions as to whether it was a desecration for the poor baby's corpse as well.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2016, 10:42:43 PM »
so he's basically saying that infants are divine? this is actually blasphemous- creatures aren't Our Lord.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2016, 11:13:35 PM »
I am appalled that a Catholic priest would not know better than to do this.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2016, 11:21:03 PM »
It was sacrilegous, but I'll give Fr. Pavone the benefit of the doubt that he is ignorant canon law forbids this.  His intentions were very good.  We need Fr. Pavone and pro-life activism, but pro-life activists (I use to be one) can sometimes get understandably crazed.

Take a look at the video and take a moment to look at the aborted child, especially if you're still wavering whether or not to vote for Trump tomorrow.


Canon 2200.2, 1917 Code of Canon Law: “Positing an external violation of the law,  malice (dolus) is presumed in the external forum until the contrary is proven.”




This man is literally placing a creature in place of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the altar.





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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2016, 01:00:36 AM »
It was sacrilegous, but I'll give Fr. Pavone the benefit of the doubt that he is ignorant canon law forbids this.  His intentions were very good.  We need Fr. Pavone and pro-life activism, but pro-life activists (I use to be one) can sometimes get understandably crazed.

Take a look at the video and take a moment to look at the aborted child, especially if you're still wavering whether or not to vote for Trump tomorrow.

Canon 2200.2, 1917 Code of Canon Law: “Positing an external violation of the law,  malice (dolus) is presumed in the external forum until the contrary is proven.”

This man is literally placing a creature in place of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the altar.

That's not the applicable law though.
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2016, 04:09:29 AM »
Had the "altar" he used ever had the old rite said on it?

Does Pavone say the old rite?
 
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Re: Fr. Pavone Accused of Sacrilege
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2016, 06:27:12 AM »
If it was an altar with relics a person might be upset, while a communion table wouldn't be so serious.
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