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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #165 on: October 21, 2016, 04:15:54 PM »
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Only the original Candyland is good -- the new one with the spinner is crap.  Promote tradition in board games -- none of this modernist revisionism!  ;)
we didn't have candy land we had kosherland:

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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #166 on: October 21, 2016, 04:24:45 PM »
I'd like to tell you I am making small sacrifices for the remission of sins and mortifying my passions.  Saint Catherine of Siena once drained a man's pus-filled boils and drank it.

But the truth is, I am too lazy to walk 150ft through the garden and over and around my decking to get to the microwave in the kitchen to reheat it.  I'm thirsty, so I just drink cold coffee.  I've learned to enjoy it.

Hey, in the US, cold brew coffee is a thing.  ;)
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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #167 on: October 21, 2016, 04:26:26 PM »
Bliksems, I arrived too late to post this picture... :(



Only the original Candyland is good -- the new one with the spinner is crap.  Promote tradition in board games -- none of this modernist revisionism!  ;)
we didn't have candy land we had kosherland:



Isn't that just called "Brooklyn?" 
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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #168 on: October 21, 2016, 04:41:52 PM »
we didn't have candy land we had kosherland:



Oh, please tell me you're serious.  :lol:
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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #169 on: October 21, 2016, 05:29:28 PM »
we didn't have candy land we had kosherland:



Oh, please tell me you're serious.  :lol:
yup we had kosherland bit the board was a little different and no spinner
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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #170 on: October 21, 2016, 06:16:12 PM »
Where's the kreplach? And the tsimmis?
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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #171 on: October 22, 2016, 01:37:36 AM »
I'd like to tell you I am making small sacrifices for the remission of sins and mortifying my passions.  Saint Catherine of Siena once drained a man's pus-filled boils and drank it.

But the truth is, I am too lazy to walk 150ft through the garden and over and around my decking to get to the microwave in the kitchen to reheat it.  I'm thirsty, so I just drink cold coffee.  I've learned to enjoy it.

You know, just a tiny act of the will can turn this around.  :P

I know, but where am I going to find pus filled boils in this day and age?
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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #172 on: October 31, 2016, 09:00:30 AM »
Because the parents among us are trying to bring up functional and productive members of society.

By all means do all you can to achieve this.

If I had children, since I want them to function well and right spiritually most of all, I would deny them watching the television, much less own one at home. There is just so much immodesty and other evils in the television that one would be crazy to allow one's children to be instructed by it, or learn their morality from it.

Ever from the creation of the world until today people have coped and gone on with their lives without having a television. If they can, so can we; if only we choose to do so.


In order to be functional one has to get a job, to pay the very taxes that pay for your disability welfare and other benefits (housing, medicine), the roads, the hospitals, the schools, the war-machine.

I agree.

And people did function just as well before in time when there were less evils around tempting us. But not only do we get tempted today, we heedlessly rush ourselves into it by our own will!


That involves both needing to fill in more forms, as well as going to sports days, socializing your children etc.  It involves riding on public transport, staying informed as to current affairs so you can discuss these as part of your job or socialization at work.

And so has people lived always and at all times.

The only difference is that our days are so much more evil than any other age, sadly.

Most parents are going to want to teach their children to swim so they don't drown.  That necessitates either mum or dad (and certainly the children) going to a public swimming pool which in ALL western countries, hold MIXED bathing sessions.

I am sure one could fins other solutions easily of one only looked for them.

Cardinal Pla y Daniel, Archbishop of Toledo, Spain, stated in 1959: "A special danger to morals is represented by public bathing at beaches... Mixed bathing between men and women, which is nearly always a proximate occasion of sin and a scandal, must be avoided."

This is what the Church and Pope Pius XII teaches concerning public bathing and immodesty swim clothing and changing immodest customs.

From:
https://www.olrl.org/virtues/modcrus.shtml

And, men also are held to the virtue of modesty; witness the admonition of Canadian bishops in May of 1946: "Man himself does not escape from the inclination of exhibiting his flesh: some go in public, stripped to the waist, or in very tight pants or in very scanty bathing suits. They thus commit offenses against the virtue of modesty. They may also be an occasion of sin (in thought or desire) for our neighbor." The opinion which allows custom to dictate the question of modesty was refuted by Pope Pius XII in one short sentence: "There always exists an absolute norm to be preserved." Custom, of course, pays no attention to absolute norms; but, it is a follower of this false principle: "... the majority cannot go wrong." To say that "... modesty is a matter of custom\" is just as wrong as to say that "... honesty is a matter of custom. "What about those who teach "What is customary does not affect us?" Pope Pius XII calls this application of an ancient principle to the virtue of modesty, "the most insidious of sophisms." He calls attention to the fact that some people use this sophism "...in order to brand as 'old fashioned' the rebellion of honest people against fashions they consider too bold." The Pope's pronouncements make no distinctions for various types of garments. Pius XII states "...an unworthy, an indecent mode of dress has prevailed" without any distinction of place, "on beaches, in country resorts, on the streets, etc." (Aug. 29. 1954) His quotation: "Vice necessarily follows upon public nudity," applies as well to the beaches, or the streets, or resorts, or elsewhere.


If I am going to stop my children sitting in front of the TV watching crap from Hollywood or playing violent video games (which are a huge waste of time for them) then I need to offer them something productive and fun to do other than reading about and colouring-in saints.

"If"? Do you allow your children to watch the television and play violent video games?


Athletics, Badminton, Ballet Classes, activity weekends (raft-building, zip-lining), holidays with the family, swimming, cross-country running, skiing, luge lessons, volleyball with their school friends.

Donato Cardinal Sbaretti, Prefect Congregation of the Council, Rome, January 12, 1930: "3. Let parents keep their daughters away from public gymnastic games and athletic contests; but if their daughters are compelled to attend such exhibitions, let them see that they are fully and modestly dressed. Let them never permit their daughters to don immodest garb." (Instruction, S. C. Conc.) AAS 22-26)


No Trad family has the resources to build their own swimming pool or hire the public pool privately to teach their children.

Is a large build yourself, fill your self some meter deep pool very expensive? Provided one can stay afloat in any amount of water, one can swim. The secret is to keep the air inside the body, and not panic and breathing out the air when plunging into the water as all people do who cannot swim.

Some secluded lake is also an alternativ, even the bathtub (I actually learned to swim as a kid in my home bathtub by experiencing that I stayed afloat while having air inside me).

But there may be immodesties in public lakes, sadly.


For example: you are a lawyer or a salesperson or an office worker and an office party is organised.  You can perhaps avoid some of these office social events but you cannot avoid all of them without putting yourself at risk of losing your job or finding yourself sidelined for promotion, a promotion you may need.  An employer will expect you to show your face at at least some of them.  Women will, inevitably turn up to these soirees wearing immodest clothing.  Either your fellow workers or their wives.

Life is necessary and is excused. But doing things which have no necessity, is not as easily excused before God.

But even if those necessary things are impossible for us, we must avoid it.


If you join the military, or the police force, you are going to be exposed to naked women on other servicemen's lockers and in the barracks.

That is not how it was before in time.

But then again, if there are necessity, such things can be excused. But as always, one must always try to do things to avoid being exposed to such things as much as possible.

But how many people actually only get exposed to such kind of things through some lawful or valid necessity in were they also tried to avoid being exposed to it is possible?

No, instead people today watch crap on the television or cinema and get exposed to even worse things without any necessity because they refuse to control their eyes, willfully fixing them at unchaste objects or not avoiding looking at them.

St. Alphonsus and the Church teaches that those who do not avoid dangerous occasions but even willfully seek to enter therein, will be abandoned by God in addition that they cannot be absolved.


If you take your family on a picnic to the beach or to any beauty spot on a warm day there is a reasonably high chance that you will see an immodestly dressed man or woman.

I know. That is why it is best to avoid going to the beach at all. But why go to the beach? There are countless of more safe places. Why be so careless?

Cardinal Pla y Daniel, Archbishop of Toledo, Spain, stated in 1959: "A special danger to morals is represented by public bathing at beaches... Mixed bathing between men and women, which is nearly always a proximate occasion of sin and a scandal, must be avoided."


If you fly across the Atlantic or Pacific and watch an in-flight movie, you may very well see a sex scene, (it's actually rather difficult to fast forward through these).  Or you may see it on your neighbor's screen.

You may but you don't have too. Perhaps if one watch the film oneself one will see it. Otherwise one could do something else.

I also go out, and are exposed to what other people do. I try not to look at it.


The solution cannot be to never take your family anywhere, never fly anywhere for work or close your eyes as you drive past billboards on the side of the road with lingerie models flashing their boobs at you.

I know, that is why the situation we live in today are so sad and horrible.

Perhaps it was in consideration of our days that our Lord said this?: “And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days.” (Matthew 24:19)

We must do what we can the lessen our exposure to evil. But people today don't even do what they can, but even willfully expose themselves and their children to the danger.


I know a family, in fact, who do lock themselves away (we only see them at Mass occasionally) and their children are badly adjusted misfits.  As "oddball" as you can imagine.

Well, that is what I often hear said about pious souls in holy books I read. By worldly people, those more devout that are not of the world are often called fools, misfits, out of time, scrupulous, etc.

I don't know the spiritual status of this family. I am just saying that in order to be saved, one must trample underfoot what others will think of us.

Of what kind of things did even the saints get called?


And just like their father who as opted out of society (on welfare but not disabled) they are going to find it terribly difficult to get a job in the future.  He's brought them up to fear and distrust society to the point where they can hardly function in it.

I have nothing bad at all to say about his decision. It is s much more safe. What is more important than our salvation? Nothing. The world is nothing, nothing...


  The children are not even noticeably pious, they just seem zoned out and have very little personality or little to say for themselves.

Holiness is not based on social functionality. Otherwise many saints would not be saints since they were classified as misfits.

Again, I don't know the spiritual status of this family or the children. I am just saying that in order to be saved, one must trample underfoot what others will think of us.


Those are just a few examples, but there are many others of why a working person with a family MUST expose themselves to more occasions of sin than an disabled welfare recipient who never leaves home and has no wife and children to provide for, or form into functioning adults who can earn a living and produce the next generation.

By all means do what you have to do and provided it is necessary and allowed. But do not put yourself in occasions which are not allowed and totally unnecessary.

The former is not the problem (most of the time) but the latter is.


The solution to avoiding occasions of sin, cannot possibly be that we all go on welfare and stay inside in order to save our souls.  That's a recipe for extinction.

That is the recipete for monasticism.

And there could be no better aid for mankind from an extinction then holy souls living a pure life pleasing to God.

Our Lady solemnly spoke these words regarding the importance of holy monasteries and convents: “Woe to the world should it lack monasteries and convents! Men do not comprehend their importance, for, if they understood, they would do all in their power to multiply them, because in them can be found the remedy for all physical and moral evils… No one on the face of the earth is aware whence comes the salvation of souls, the conversion of great sinners, the end of great scourges, the fertility of the land, the end of pestilence and wars, and the harmony between nations. All this is due to the prayers that rise up from monasteries and convents.” (Words of Our Lady of Good Success to Venerable Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres)


And if the average working earning, married trad is wrong to read the internet news without the images switch off because images are not STRICTLY necessary, (pictures are kind of hard to navigate many websites without) or watch a Disney film or Tom and Jerry cartoon with his children,

I have always said that one can use images where it is necessary. But most sites are not necessary. It is mostly excuses because people are addicted to images or doings things which could expose them to bad things.

Disney is terrible terrible. Tom and Jerry also (it has much violence etc). I would never allow my children watch such things.

See:
http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/#TV-series-films-cartoons
http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/#Cartoons


then you Jerome are equally wrong to have an internet connection at all, since you really don't need one.  After all, you are only a Google search away from millions of porno images and movies.  Given that you are on welfare and could easily spend your day praying and reading good Catholic books, then why on earth would you risk the proximate occasion of sin of succumbing to that temptation?

Surely none of the saints you quote would have an internet connection in their home.  I know plenty of old people that get by in life without the internet; so surely you can too given your simple lifestyle.  It is in no way absolutely necessary in your circumstances. 

Jerome, in your circumstances you don't have any true need for the internet, so why risk your soul by being only a few seconds away from the largest library of free pornography that has ever existed in the entire history of the world?

For the good of your soul I implore you to cancel your connection.

I almost never have images on. I don't watch movies, nor series, nor almost ever watch the youtube clip and only listen to the audio. And I don't watch porn or have a problem with it. But thank you for your concern.

What if most fathers had the same concern for themselves, their spouse, or their children?

It is hard for someone who do not even surf internet with images on or watch secular media to fall into porn. It is 1000 time more likely that such a person would first fall into surfing the internet with images on first, then watching media, and then perhaps porn. Satan never makes a person fall into the worst crimes immediately, but he starts with smaller things first. Even the greatest criminals and evil people started doing small evil first. That is how it begins. Sure, falls can happen, but they are always preceded by something one should not have done, some carelessness, some willful venial sin, some bad occasions.

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Re: Why the thread "Last movie you saw?" if filled with mortal sins
« Reply #173 on: November 16, 2016, 05:43:50 AM »
I'd like to tell you I am making small sacrifices for the remission of sins and mortifying my passions.  Saint Catherine of Siena once drained a man's pus-filled boils and drank it.

But the truth is, I am too lazy to walk 150ft through the garden and over and around my decking to get to the microwave in the kitchen to reheat it.  I'm thirsty, so I just drink cold coffee.  I've learned to enjoy it.

You know, just a tiny act of the will can turn this around.  :P

I know, but where am I going to find pus filled boils in this day and age?

I don't know but you could try fermented herring.  Try YouTube search:  Surströmming
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