«Theology of the Body» is an "important source" for «Amoris Lætitia»!

Started by Geremia, April 07, 2016, 05:28:43 PM

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Geremia

The "reading guide" already sent out to Novus Ordo bishops says this:
QuoteThe Pope's vision of society is inclusive. Such inclusion involves the effort to accept diversity, to dialogue with those who think differently, to encourage the participation of those with different abilities.
The journalist reports:
QuoteThe document was sent to bishops along with summaries of the Pope's recent Wednesday audiences on the family, and of John Paul II's Theology of the Body [i.e., divinization of sex, somolatry], described as an "important source" for Amoris Laetitia.
:ack:

Chestertonian

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Geremia

Yeah, "Theology" of the Body and dialogue. :ack:
Double-whammy obscurity :(

Prayerful

JP2's 'Theology of the Body?' It is a worry when Church teach resorts to the writing (or ravings?) of a heretic and pagan (the lay person cannot proclaim someone a pagan or heretic does things but uttering heresy and celebrating religious sermons with pagans / Moslems, walks like a duck etc).

What do people think of Pope Francis' Joy of Sex? There does seem to be a bit of an implicit, even somewhat explicit, downgrading of the ideal of Christian marriage. It almost seems to reject ideals, but overall largely about compassion to gays and divorcees.
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Antoninus

Quote from: Prayerful on April 08, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
JP2's 'Theology of the Body?' It is a worry when Church teach resorts to the writing (or ravings?) of a heretic and pagan (the lay person cannot proclaim someone a pagan or heretic does things but uttering heresy and celebrating religious sermons with pagans / Moslems, walks like a duck etc).

What do people think of Pope Francis' Joy of Sex? There does seem to be a bit of an implicit, even somewhat explicit, downgrading of the ideal of Christian marriage. It almost seems to reject ideals, but overall largely about compassion to gays and divorcees.

I think it is identical to the Kasper proposal by saying it isn't changing marital doctrines, but also not so subtly saying things that indicate a profound change has been made. That is exactly the same crap sandwich Kasper put forward two years ago.

Elizabeth

Has anyone had the fortitude to read the sexy parts of Amoris Laetitia?


Chestertonian

Quote from: Elizabeth on April 08, 2016, 08:51:08 AM
Has anyone had the fortitude to read the sexy parts of Amoris Laetitia?
not enough antiemitics in the world
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Prayerful

Rorate Caeli summarise it and also include a link to the Official Vatican text (not sure of that link, but they might the doc hosted on a ten year old laptop, anything is possible).
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Jayne

Quote from: Elizabeth on April 08, 2016, 08:51:08 AM
Has anyone had the fortitude to read the sexy parts of Amoris Laetitia?

You seem to be referring to chapter four, entitled "Love in Marriage" (sections 89-164). This is the chapter that contains discussion of the role of sexual intimacy in marriage.  I read this chapter and did not see anything "sexy" or "erotic" about it.  Most of the chapter is a reflection on I Corinthians 13 on the characteristics of love as applied to marriage.

There were a few paragraphs on the erotic dimension of love.  I found them rather wordy and full of jargon, but it did not require all that much fortitude to deal with.  Here is a sample that gives a sense of the content and tone:

QuoteSexuality is not a means of gratification
or entertainment; it is an interpersonal
language wherein the other is taken seriously,
in his or her sacred and inviolable dignity. As
such, "the human heart comes to participate, so
to speak, in another kind of spontaneity".151 In
this context, the erotic appears as a specifically
human manifestation of sexuality. It enables us
to discover "the nuptial meaning of the body
and the authentic dignity of the gift".1
Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.

LouisIX

I have never found anything within ToB that is at odds with pre-Conciliar Catholicism or Thomism.
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Prayerful

Quote from: Antoninus on April 08, 2016, 06:46:44 AM
Quote from: Prayerful on April 08, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
JP2's 'Theology of the Body?' It is a worry when Church teach resorts to the writing (or ravings?) of a heretic and pagan (the lay person cannot proclaim someone a pagan or heretic does things but uttering heresy and celebrating religious sermons with pagans / Moslems, walks like a duck etc).

What do people think of Pope Francis' Joy of Sex? There does seem to be a bit of an implicit, even somewhat explicit, downgrading of the ideal of Christian marriage. It almost seems to reject ideals, but overall largely about compassion to gays and divorcees.

I think it is identical to the Kasper proposal by saying it isn't changing marital doctrines, but also not so subtly saying things that indicate a profound change has been made. That is exactly the same crap sandwich Kasper put forward two years ago.

Seems a bit of a waste of words, and trees. An exhortation  to be nice doesn't need all those words.
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LausTibiChriste

Quote from: LouisIX on April 08, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
I have never found anything within ToB that is at odds with pre-Conciliar Catholicism or Thomism.

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Kaesekopf

Quote from: LouisIX on April 08, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
I have never found anything within ToB that is at odds with pre-Conciliar Catholicism or Thomism.

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Geremia

Quote from: LouisIX on April 08, 2016, 03:00:42 PMI have never found anything within ToB that is at odds with pre-Conciliar Catholicism or Thomism.
Quote from: Geremia on July 09, 2014, 11:10:07 PM

  • He says Genesis 2:25 ("And they were both naked; to wit Adam & his wife: and were not ashamed.") is the "original revelation of the body" (source).
  • And «the "revelation of the body," helps us somehow to discover the extraordinary side of what is ordinary.» (source)
  • Conclusion: Being naked and not ashamed "helps us somehow to discover the extraordinary side of what is ordinary."!