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Offline St. Columba

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« on: January 07, 2019, 03:11:29 PM »
Is there a specific Catholic teaching against tattoos?  I think I remember it being forbidden somewhere in the OT.

What I am thinking is an innocent looking tattoo to (sort of) cover a (future) scar...

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 03:24:18 PM »
Is there a specific Catholic teaching against tattoos?  I think I remember it being forbidden somewhere in the OT.

What I am thinking is an innocent looking tattoo to (sort of) cover a (future) scar...

Thanks!
sometimes a scar looks better than a tattoo  ;)
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 03:36:48 PM »
Amongst Traditionalist crowds tattoos are typically seen as against the 5th commandment (per Fr. Ripperger). Iím not convinced of that as ear piercing should be too if following the same logic, but itís never mentioned.

The OT prohibition (Leviticus 19) is specifically in the context of pagan ancestor worship, not a general prohibition (though later seen as such through halachic teaching).

As a person with two sleeves, a rib cage tat (meat tag), and calf piece, Iíd advise against any tattoo regardless of the reason.


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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 04:40:53 PM »
I can't remember all the details I've read on this subject, but the sin committed is the sin of pride through vanity. By getting tattoos, you're inordinately decorating(?) yourself, you show your body off by having certain parts of your body stand out, proudly putting yourself on display.

Excessive tattooing is actually imitating (the sincerest form of flattery) the "ignorant natives" who worship false gods, who pierce, cut and paint themselves as part of their pagan (demonic) rituals. The difference is, modern tattoos leave a permanent character on the body, whereas the ignorant natives' markings are only temporary.     
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 06:53:20 PM »
Almost every culture has tattoos or scarification of some sort. Rare is the culture which merely paints.

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 07:49:04 PM »
Amongst Traditionalist crowds tattoos are typically seen as against the 5th commandment (per Fr. Ripperger). Iím not convinced of that as ear piercing should be too if following the same logic, but itís never mentioned.

The OT prohibition (Leviticus 19) is specifically in the context of pagan ancestor worship, not a general prohibition (though later seen as such through halachic teaching).

As a person with two sleeves, a rib cage tat (meat tag), and calf piece, Iíd advise against any tattoo regardless of the reason.

Thanks Gardener....but why would you advise against regardless of the reason?

Also, if trads, and Fr Ripperger specifically, are against  tattoos, are they because the Magisterium weighed in on the issue at some point, or are they just theorizing?
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 07:54:51 PM »
Would a St. Michael tattoo be ok?  If not, on what basis exactly?

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 08:02:30 PM »
Would a St. Michael tattoo be ok?  If not, on what basis exactly?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/cb/7c/c6cb7c1198cc787cbf4b0d27f8ca82a3.jpg
beautiful work but I also tend to agree that we shouldn't put tattoos on our bodies.
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2019, 08:06:52 PM »
I think it depends on the tattoo and the reason.  Some are hideous and will only look more hideous when you're a wrinkly old person. My dad always said that regardless of what tattoo you get, it will look like a potato after you get old

Some people get tattoos to cover up scars.. like from a surgery, injury or if you are recovering from a self injury problem.  My wife is a recovering cutter and a lot of people she knows have gotten tattoos where they usually cut. Often it is meant to cover up the scarring and sometimes it helps to have an image or quote to remind you why you shouldn't hurt yourself or because it's too pretty.  She's always used this special makeup to cover them up but it's a pain to deal with
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2019, 09:53:52 PM »
Would a St. Michael tattoo be ok?  If not, on what basis exactly?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/cb/7c/c6cb7c1198cc787cbf4b0d27f8ca82a3.jpg
beautiful work but I also tend to agree that we shouldn't put tattoos on our bodies.

When I first glance at it I think "weird", although after I pay more attention I see the beauty. I think it directs too much attention to the body rather than to what the image shows - even distorting the image to fit the body. (Talk about skin tight clothing...)
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2019, 10:14:18 PM »
Not OP (sorry OP, jumping in here) but what do you guys think about a Catholic tattoo to cover up an old occult tattoo until I can afford to have it removed? Or would it just be better to wait to have the laser removal and leave as-is for now?
 

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2019, 10:26:49 PM »
I believe our morality should be formed in as close to the spirit as the fathers & doctors of the Church as possible. Imagine asking this to St. Alphonsus or St. Anthony of the Desert? 

It's now a sub-culture where the more "ink" you have the more credibility you have. We are influenced through our culture and if we're to build a more Christian culture taking a cue from secularist thinking is almost always a bad place to start. We are to be counter-cultural, and minimally a good example to our family members who might get the wrong impression even with the right intent as we are to prevent the scandal of the weak.

We are called to be the ambassadors of Christ.

As the culture has declined tattoos are more prevalent. Why feed into that culture? If we're married with young children or not married yet we have to be aware of the example we give to our children who might see St. Michael but they see a green light for the normalcy of tattoos and the sub-culture that attaches with it (motorcycles, piercings, partying) and while one does not necessitate the other we could be the example of someone falling prey to that thinking by our seeming alignment through our actions.

I truly struggle with the idea the fathers and doctors of the Church green-lighting such a concept. Shouldn't that be how we are to put on the mind of Christ? Shouldn't our body reflect that? God bless
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2019, 11:06:41 PM »
I can't remember all the details I've read on this subject, but the sin committed is the sin of pride through vanity. By getting tattoos, you're inordinately decorating(?) yourself, you show your body off by having certain parts of your body stand out, proudly putting yourself on display.

Excessive tattooing is actually imitating (the sincerest form of flattery) the "ignorant natives" who worship false gods, who pierce, cut and paint themselves as part of their pagan (demonic) rituals. The difference is, modern tattoos leave a permanent character on the body, whereas the ignorant natives' markings are only temporary.   

Right on, Stubb. Traditionally in American society, tattoos have been viewed as low class, crass, and downright shitty. My pasty white skin staying that way.
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2019, 11:35:49 PM »
Johann Von Goethe:

ĒPainting and tattooing of the body is a return to animalism.Ē
 
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 12:06:59 AM »
Amongst Traditionalist crowds tattoos are typically seen as against the 5th commandment (per Fr. Ripperger). Iím not convinced of that as ear piercing should be too if following the same logic, but itís never mentioned.

The OT prohibition (Leviticus 19) is specifically in the context of pagan ancestor worship, not a general prohibition (though later seen as such through halachic teaching).

As a person with two sleeves, a rib cage tat (meat tag), and calf piece, Iíd advise against any tattoo regardless of the reason.

Thanks Gardener....but why would you advise against regardless of the reason?

Also, if trads, and Fr Ripperger specifically, are against  tattoos, are they because the Magisterium weighed in on the issue at some point, or are they just theorizing?

Traditional Catholic practice and thinking go beyond what is explicitly in the Magisterium.  The discussion of others in this thread is not just subjectively theorizing, but giving good reasons beyond the fact that "Fr. Ripperger said so". 
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