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1. The evolutionists claim some thousands of their monkeyish or apelike ancestors gave birth to about 10,000 human beings from anywhere between 2 million to about 100,000 years ago. The human race, the inventors of this pagan theory claim, did not really begin from a single pair but from a population as they claim of about 10000 monkeyish men and women. Let's run with that degrading error for a moment.

We've all been taught this pagan theory in school or college, or both. But have we ever considered its implications in detail? Even mathematically, for example, if 10,000 men really lived in 2 million B.C., for e.g, have we considered what the true population of the world be, based on any reasonable estimate, say, of how long it takes the population to double, or to increase by a factor of 1000?

2. The article below was written in 1922 and it uses some simple calculations based on observations of how long it took the population among the Jews to double. But let's illustrate the same point taking the global population rate of increase here. So some 100 years ago, the population was less than 2 billion, about 1/4th of what it is now. 500 years ago, it was less than 500 million. The world's population, then, increases by more than a factor of 10 roughly every 500 years, give or take a little.

But let's be very generous to our evolutionist friends. Why take 500? Let's say population increases by a factor of 10 only once every 5000 years, an astonishing concession to them. But even in such a far fetched case, simple calculations show the human population would increase from 10,000 to 10,000,000,000 in just (10^3 to 10^9 so six iterations of the ten-fold rate of increase) 30,000(=50006) years! Thus by around 1.970 million B.C. the world's population would have crossed 10 billion if 10,000 monkeyish men had really evolved in 2 million B.C! And though many shamelessly claimed not long ago and some still claim this 2 million or any other long age they fancy, still some others claim it was only 100 or 200 thousand years ago. But even then, by 70,000 B.C. at the latest, the number of human beings would have crossed 10 billion many times over.

3. The astonishing answer is, the world's population would in such a case then have crossed ten billion several millions of years or at least 10s of 1000s of years ago! And that's with the most generous estimates. But since that never happened, we can know with certainty that these evolutionist liars are deceiving us with their pagan theory. Evolution in no small measure contributes to what has made once-Christian society neo-pagan again.

Monkeys never gave birth to men but the human race began with a single pair that was specially created less than 10,000 years ago. Contrary to what the evolutionists say, that is a mathemtical certainty, as demonstrated here.

http://ldolphin.org/wmwilliams.html

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The following is the first of fifty arguments against the evolution of man.
1. THE POPULATION OF THE WORLD

The population of the world, based upon the Berlin census reports of 1922, was found to be 1,804,187,000. The human race must double itself 30.75 times to make this number...

Now, according to the chronology of Hales, based on the Septuagint text, 5077 years have elapsed since the flood, and 5177 years since the ancestors of mankind numbered only two, Noah and his wife. By dividing 5177 by 30.75, we find it requires an average of 168.3 years for the human race to double its numbers, in order to make the present population. This is a reasonable average length of time.
Moreover, it is singularly confirmed by the number of Jews, or descendants of Jacob. According to Hales, 3850 years have passed since the marriage of Jacob. By the same method of calculation as above, the Jews, who, according to the Jewish yearbook for 1922, number 15,393, 815, must have doubled their numbers 23.8758 times, or once every 161.251 years. The whole human race, therefore, on an average has doubled its numbers every 168.3 years; and the Jews, every 161.251 years. What a marvelous agreement! We would not expect the figure to be exactly the same nor be greatly surprised if one period were twice the other. But their correspondence singularly corroborates the age of the human race and of the Jewish people, as gleaned from the word of God by the most proficient chronologists. If the human race is 2,000,000 years old, the period of doubling would be 65,040 years, or 402 times that of the Jews, which, of course, is unthinkable ...

Or, let us suppose that man, the dominant species, originated from a single pair, only 100,000 years ago, the shortest period suggested by any evolutionist (and much too short for evolution) and that the population doubled in 1612.51 years, one-tenth the Jewish rate of net increase, a most generous estimate. The present population of the globe should be 4,660,210,253,138,204,300 or 2,527,570,733 for every man, woman and child! In these calculations, we have made greater allowances than any self-respecting evolutionist could ask without blushing. And yet withal, it is as clear as the light of day that the ancestors of man could not possibly have lived 2,000,000 or 1,000,000 or 100,000 years ago, or even 10,000 years ago; for if the population had increased at the Jewish rate for 10,000 years, it would be more than two billion times as great as it is. No guess that ever was made, or ever can be made, much in excess of 5177 years, can possibly stand as the age of man. The evolutionist cannot sidestep this argument by a new guess. Q. E. D.

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Re: A simple mathematical refutation of the evolutionist heresy.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 03:54:51 AM »
Disease, famine, die offs.

The human population in recorded history grew very slowly.  Modern farming methods, disease resistance, modern hygiene and the public sewer system helped it to mushroom to 7 billion today.

I am no evolutionist, but your mathematics has all sorts of assumptions built into it which would be easy to question.

Nobody knows the impact of die offs in ancient history but it seems reasonable to assume they happened.  Viruses and bacteria are complex little buggers that until recently were not understood.  How could they be with microscopes and some pretty advanced scientific processes?
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Re: A simple mathematical refutation of the evolutionist heresy.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2018, 09:55:00 AM »
1. Well, very glad to hear you are not an evolutionist. I thought you did believe in it, but maybe you were just making a conditional statement when you once said "If evolution is true, Christianity is <expletive deleted>" : ) Anyway, yes, such dodges are expected, but diseases and famines have frequently happened throughout history and still happen around the world. They happened also in the last 500 years, yet we saw a great increase in the population in spite of it.

What the evolutionists really need, if human history really began in 2 million B.C. - and the irony is poetic here - is worldwide global catastrophes (like the global flood they deny, but many, many times over!) every 5000 years or so, and then even that may not be enough! Man will easily move from even a population of 10 to 10 billion in not more than 10-20 thousand years at most even with normal famines and diseases.

 Go back earlier and you'll see 500-600 years fits nicely for a population to increase by a factor of 10. After the global flood of Noah, the population was reduced to 8 persons. From 8 to 8 billion roughly (about a billion deaths caused by abortion worldwide) takes 9 iterations of a ten-fold increase. That's roughly 4500-5400 years, give or take a little, which is very much in line with traditional chronology. The article says perhaps less than 20,000 persons perished in the global flood of Noah, because at that time, human history was very young.

2. Also, to compensate for all and any such natural or other disasters, we raised the time required for a ten-fold increase to as much as 5000 years, not just 500.

Do you think a population of even say, 10, will take 5000 years or even more to increase just to a 100, even accounting for deaths from famine, disease and other causes? It will happen much, much sooner than that.

And if anything subsequent increases will happen at a faster rate, like the population increased from 1.8 billion in 1922 to its 7.2 billion level today. That population increase came inspite of new diseases, and despite contraception/abortion, marrying late, lesser children, smaller families etc.

So, again, anyway you look at it, 10 to 10 billion within 10,000 years.

3. I believe St. Columba is a Math Professor, so it will be nice if he chips in with his input on the above. Daniel too. I believe you work with numbers also, Greg. And I did earlier.

What do you think is roughly the period a population takes to increase by 1000, after accounting for deaths by famine and disease? 1 million whole years is what the evolutionists need for their 2 million B.C. fable to be plausible. 1800 odd years, give or take, is very reasonable for a thousandfold increase and fits nicely with the Biblical chronology, especially given the early patriarchs lived long and had many children. Recorded human history began in the Middle east, that that is the oldest civilization is very clear and well documented; not in Africa as the evolutionists claim for some reason, and most importantly, the model that human history is less than 10,000 years old and began with the special creation of a single pair is better supported.

10000 odd parents for the human race 100 thousand or a million years ago is extremely unlikely if not impossible.
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Re: A simple mathematical refutation of the evolutionist heresy.
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 10:53:41 AM »
How exactly would I account for famines, disease, meteorite strikes etc?

We are not even sure of how many people died in famines in the last century in places like China and the Soviet Union.

How many Jews dies in Nazi Germany?   Nobody has an accurate figure.

There's no way to account for how many people live and died that long ago.  It's a guess, built on lots of assumptions.
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Re: A simple mathematical refutation of the evolutionist heresy.
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 02:50:38 PM »
Using logic against rhetoric ?  Rhetoric will win every time.

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Re: A simple mathematical refutation of the evolutionist heresy.
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2018, 08:14:51 AM »
Lol.  :D

We have to account for live births, natural deaths and then deaths due to other causes such as famine to arrive at the net population. We have seen births less natural deaths would increase from the evolutionary 10 thousand in the 100 thousands B.C. to 10 billion way before 70,000 B.C.

Greg, would you really guess there have been 9 billion deaths due to famine etc before 70,000 B.C. Even that wouldn't be enough to bring down the net population to a proper amount, because it is demonstrable and even the evolutionists grant the world's population never crossed even 1 billion until a few centuries ago. And we're still tens of thousands of years away from the A.D.s according to this erroneous chronology. And you'd have to keep having more such catastrophes causing many more billions of deaths every few 1000 years.

It is plain as the light of day that monkeys giving birth to 10 thousand men 100 thousand years ago is Planets of the Apes style fictitious fantasy.

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Re: A simple mathematical refutation of the evolutionist heresy.
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2018, 11:10:22 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

You can't account for them.  All you can do is make assumptions and extrapolate based on fragmentary data and one's own prejudices.

There is no way to know how many bubonic plagues, meteor impacts, small pox outbreaks, crop failures, intertribal genocides etc  happened because there are no bodies or bones to count from tens of thousands of years ago.  They've rotted away completely.

Before farming a nomadic tribe was capped in size by the availability of resources.  It they had too many children they killed them or exposed them to the elements or sacrificed them to the gods..  If you have gender imbalance that will cap your population too.  So will interbreeding.  How can we know how much of this went on 10,000 years ago?  We simply cannot.
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