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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2015, 09:24:17 PM »
can you tell us what subject

what is a n example of a question

Well, the ones in question are math problems, and they are multiple choice questions.  If I truly have no clue how to do them, and the deadline for homework submission is approaching, then I'd try looking for the answers.  Ideally, I would try to understand how that answer came to be...doesn't always happen though.  Usually it's more like, "This is due, I'm going to put this down and look at the answer later and see how it is worked" but sometimes I procrastinate and that never happens...

Of course that comes back to bite me at exam time somethey'retimes.
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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2015, 09:29:39 PM »
can you tell us what subject

what is a n example of a question

Well, the ones in question are math problems, and they are multiple choice questions.  If I truly have no clue how to do them, and the deadline for homework submission is approaching, then I'd try looking for the answers.  Ideally, I would try to understand how that answer came to be...doesn't always happen though.  Usually it's more like, "This is due, I'm going to put this down and look at the answer later and see how it is worked" but sometimes I procrastinate and that never happens...

Of course that comes back to bite me at exam time somethey'retimes.
they're not asking you toshow your work?!

Nope.  It's a statistical analysis class, so not quite calculus, but yeah, no work is shown.
 

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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2015, 09:33:31 PM »
No, it is not cheating.  Homework is given so you can learn the material more fully on your own.  You can use any resource.

Generally the grade for homework is there as a motivation to get you to do it.  It is usually a small part of your grade.

I recommend trying to do the work, then using the computer resources if you get stuck.  Also, check your work to make sure you got the right answer.  Practising how to do it the wrong way makes no sense.
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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2015, 10:17:02 PM »
i remember seeing a quote sometime here shared which wss apt.virtue is based on Who we are when no one is watching

are you there to get easy grades or are you there to learn

it's your money (or your parents money( and it is up to you too own your academic progress

if it is math i would say yes, looking at the answer is not bad as long as you're checking your work

when i took math the answers were right in the textbook

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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2015, 02:25:44 AM »
It is cheating if you use automated online calculation tools to obtain answers.  It's not cheating if you are seeking deeper understanding of the mathematical theory so that you're more likely to solve these problems correctly in the future.

Due to my education background I've done very few tests and almost all my studies were focused upon understanding problems and learning how to arrive at solutions.  My teacher (home-schooling mother) used to even give me a second chance to do any problems that were incorrect when I was doing the Saxon program in high school.  If I got a problem wrong, she marked them and returned the worksheet to me.  This gave me the chance to determine if my errors were simple mistakes or a lack of understanding.  The first could be corrected by developing an organized approach to making calculations.  The latter was solved by re-reading the textbook until I had a solid grasp of the material.  Returning corrected answers gave me 1/2 credit to up the grades

If I had internet access at the time, it probably would have been allowed as a research tool.  It wasn't available but I was allowed to use any textbook available as a resource.

It must have worked for me.  In the second year of high school I averaged 2-3 wrong answers out of 30.  By the end of the 4th year most problem sets were 100% correct the first time through.

Saxon had the answers to 15 of the 30 problems in the textbook so it was usually possible to figure out if one had a proper understanding of the lessons before turning the work in to the teacher.  A good teacher will require all work to be completely written out so it's not possible to just copy answers from the book onto the answer sheet.


A bit of advice: never simply write answers down.  Always show each step of the work.  This lets the teacher know you are not just copying answers and it also helps develop a proper understanding of each problem.
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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2015, 06:07:50 AM »
I'm with others, especially Akavit -- copying math answers won't do any good.

Now if it was something like, what was the name of Tsar Nicholas II's son, I don't think it would matter if you google it or find it in the textbook to get the answer -- but then, history homework tends to be more than fill-in-the-blank at the university level.  So, you would be looking up the boy's name in the context of an essay about the effects of Tsarevich Alexei's health on the fall of the Russian monarchy.
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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2015, 08:35:46 AM »
SOunds like a lazy professor. Knowingly giving you "problems" with the answers available? There are mechanisms to prevent this. What you describe is intellectual laziness and slothful.

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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2015, 09:03:03 AM »
My college uses an online math application for homework. Being something which is programmed, it will often reject a right answer because it's not in a format which has been programmed as "right".

I often have to google how something would be expressed in interval notation or whatever format it wants, because on tests and in class we are allowed to use multiple correct expressions (set-builder, interval, etc.). The professor has told us straight up he doesn't care if we use interval or set builder, etc. on tests. He's concerned with mathematical correctness, not if we did something in a rigid format (for example, some answers are very convoluted when expressed in interval notation vs set-builder).

I don't see how that's any different from what you're doing.

Further, if you are doing this to see how in the world something was even done, or is done, or should be done, that is not cheating but learning.

It's scrupulous to treat homework like an exam, and probably detrimental unless you have already self-demonstrated mastery of the concept and wish to test your mettle.

Homework is for learning and confirming that learning. Tests test your level of having learned.

Otherwise, one might as well consider calculators as cheating.

As long as you are not resting on the laurels of google, and are just getting done what needs to be done with the intention to go back over it until you get it, it's simply another variant of learning.

If you have a particularly rough time of doing a type of problem consistently (or if it's just work intensive), and you have the ability to program a calculator, you could also program yours for input of variables on a certain type of problem and then test that against multiple known problems/solutions to make sure your program isn't just good for one particular problem. I did that with the quadratic formula because it's just such a PITA to write out every time. Is that "cheating"? Some would say yes... but I guarantee you that mathematicians do it every day. So do programmers and system admins, etc. People who are smart only do something from scratch once, if possible. It maximizes the ability to do other things which cannot be done from scratch or serves as a proof for from-scratch work.

Given that college is supposed to prepare one for the work world, I find the mentality of treating it as above the work world in standards of conduct to be idiotic.

Every day on the job is a test, so I guess most of the world are cheaters by the standard expressed by some here.

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Re: Is This Cheating?
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Re: Is This Cheating?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2015, 12:11:08 PM »