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Thurification in Theophoric Processions
« on: June 13, 2015, 11:58:44 PM »
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015, Christendom will celebrate the feast of Corpus Christi. As has been done throughout the centuries, from the first celebration of the feast in Liège, the Blessed Sacrament is carried in procession after Mass.

Corpus Christi procession in Rome
with Pope Saint Pius X carrying the Sacrament;
two thurifers swinging censers walk ahead.

In many places, this feast is transferred to the nearest Sunday, or the Sunday after the proper feast.

Regulations for the Philippines
In the Rituale Romanum, we read the following rubric concerning the incensations done in the procession:

    […] et duo acolythi vel Clerici cum thuribulis fumantibus praecedunt.

In English, this reads:

    […] and two acolytes or Clerics walk ahead with fuming thuribles.

From this short phrase arose one of the greatest debates in rubrical minutiae: should the thurifers walk normally, their backs to the Sacrament; or should they walk backwards, facing the Sacrament? The former is the practice in Rome; the latter is almost universally frowned upon as supremely indecorous and inappropriate by liturgists. Still, outside Rome, probably under the influence of the Ambrosian dictum, many opt to do the latter.

Which of these two is prescribed for us in the Philippine Islands? The answer, surprisingly, is “None.” It appears to us that, outside Rome, the Sacred Congregation allowed a certain degree of rubrical scrupulosity to determine the position of the thurifers. Thus, the 1962 Manuale Manilense, the version of the Rituale Romanum commanded for use in the Philippine Islands, adds a footnote to this rubric:

    Non licet adhibere plures quam duos thuriferarios (Decr. 3448, 9) ; et procedere tenentur hinc inde ante Celebrantem extra baldachinum continuo Ssmum. Sacramentum thurificantes, facie quasi ad invicem versa (Decr. 2368), ne terga Sanctissimo obvertant.

Again, in English, this reads:

    It is not lawful to make use of more than two thurifers (Decr. 3448, 9); they are made to proceed from here (i.e., the sanctuary, where the procession starts—Siniculus) onwards ahead of the Celebrant, outside the canopy, continuously censing the Most Blessed Sacrament, with their faces somewhat turned to one another (Decr. 2368), lest they turn their backs to the Blessed Sacrament.

Below we publish the quoted decrees, first in their Latin original, and then in our English translation.

Number of thurifers
Here is the first decree, which forbids the number of thurifers in Theophoric Processions to exceed two.

READ MORE: http://deipraesidiofultus.blogspot.com/2015/06/thurification-in-theophoric-processions.html
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Re: Thurification in Theophoric Processions
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2015, 02:28:49 AM »
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015, Christendom will celebrate the feast of Corpus Christi. As has been done throughout the centuries, from the first celebration of the feast in Liège, the Blessed Sacrament is carried in procession after Mass.

Corpus Christi procession in Rome
with Pope Saint Pius X carrying the Sacrament;
two thurifers swinging censers walk ahead.

In many places, this feast is transferred to the nearest Sunday, or the Sunday after the proper feast.

Regulations for the Philippines
In the Rituale Romanum, we read the following rubric concerning the incensations done in the procession:

    […] et duo acolythi vel Clerici cum thuribulis fumantibus praecedunt.

In English, this reads:

    […] and two acolytes or Clerics walk ahead with fuming thuribles.

From this short phrase arose one of the greatest debates in rubrical minutiae: should the thurifers walk normally, their backs to the Sacrament; or should they walk backwards, facing the Sacrament? The former is the practice in Rome; the latter is almost universally frowned upon as supremely indecorous and inappropriate by liturgists. Still, outside Rome, probably under the influence of the Ambrosian dictum, many opt to do the latter.

Which of these two is prescribed for us in the Philippine Islands? The answer, surprisingly, is “None.” It appears to us that, outside Rome, the Sacred Congregation allowed a certain degree of rubrical scrupulosity to determine the position of the thurifers. Thus, the 1962 Manuale Manilense, the version of the Rituale Romanum commanded for use in the Philippine Islands, adds a footnote to this rubric:

    Non licet adhibere plures quam duos thuriferarios (Decr. 3448, 9) ; et procedere tenentur hinc inde ante Celebrantem extra baldachinum continuo Ssmum. Sacramentum thurificantes, facie quasi ad invicem versa (Decr. 2368), ne terga Sanctissimo obvertant.

Again, in English, this reads:

    It is not lawful to make use of more than two thurifers (Decr. 3448, 9); they are made to proceed from here (i.e., the sanctuary, where the procession starts—Siniculus) onwards ahead of the Celebrant, outside the canopy, continuously censing the Most Blessed Sacrament, with their faces somewhat turned to one another (Decr. 2368), lest they turn their backs to the Blessed Sacrament.

Below we publish the quoted decrees, first in their Latin original, and then in our English translation.

Number of thurifers
Here is the first decree, which forbids the number of thurifers in Theophoric Processions to exceed two.

READ MORE: http://deipraesidiofultus.blogspot.com/2015/06/thurification-in-theophoric-processions.html

do you post all these blog posts hre?


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Re: Thurification in Theophoric Processions
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2015, 03:51:49 AM »
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015, Christendom will celebrate the feast of Corpus Christi. As has been done throughout the centuries, from the first celebration of the feast in Liège, the Blessed Sacrament is carried in procession after Mass.

Corpus Christi procession in Rome
with Pope Saint Pius X carrying the Sacrament;
two thurifers swinging censers walk ahead.

In many places, this feast is transferred to the nearest Sunday, or the Sunday after the proper feast.

Regulations for the Philippines
In the Rituale Romanum, we read the following rubric concerning the incensations done in the procession:

    […] et duo acolythi vel Clerici cum thuribulis fumantibus praecedunt.

In English, this reads:

    […] and two acolytes or Clerics walk ahead with fuming thuribles.

From this short phrase arose one of the greatest debates in rubrical minutiae: should the thurifers walk normally, their backs to the Sacrament; or should they walk backwards, facing the Sacrament? The former is the practice in Rome; the latter is almost universally frowned upon as supremely indecorous and inappropriate by liturgists. Still, outside Rome, probably under the influence of the Ambrosian dictum, many opt to do the latter.

Which of these two is prescribed for us in the Philippine Islands? The answer, surprisingly, is “None.” It appears to us that, outside Rome, the Sacred Congregation allowed a certain degree of rubrical scrupulosity to determine the position of the thurifers. Thus, the 1962 Manuale Manilense, the version of the Rituale Romanum commanded for use in the Philippine Islands, adds a footnote to this rubric:

    Non licet adhibere plures quam duos thuriferarios (Decr. 3448, 9) ; et procedere tenentur hinc inde ante Celebrantem extra baldachinum continuo Ssmum. Sacramentum thurificantes, facie quasi ad invicem versa (Decr. 2368), ne terga Sanctissimo obvertant.

Again, in English, this reads:

    It is not lawful to make use of more than two thurifers (Decr. 3448, 9); they are made to proceed from here (i.e., the sanctuary, where the procession starts—Siniculus) onwards ahead of the Celebrant, outside the canopy, continuously censing the Most Blessed Sacrament, with their faces somewhat turned to one another (Decr. 2368), lest they turn their backs to the Blessed Sacrament.

Below we publish the quoted decrees, first in their Latin original, and then in our English translation.

Number of thurifers
Here is the first decree, which forbids the number of thurifers in Theophoric Processions to exceed two.

READ MORE: http://deipraesidiofultus.blogspot.com/2015/06/thurification-in-theophoric-processions.html

do you post all these blog posts hre?

I haven't posting articles in a long time.

N.
Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists. - Saint Pius X

I am a نصارى

"Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them."
-Pope St. Felix III

"I would rather be a street-sweep rather than be a head of your schismatic church" (Prefiero ser lampazero a ser la cabeza de su jerarquia cismatica)

- Bishop Jorge Imperial Barlin, first native Filipino bishop  to Gregorio Aglipay after the latter offered the him to be the "bishop" of his "church".
 

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Re: Thurification in Theophoric Processions
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2015, 04:04:14 AM »
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015, Christendom will celebrate the feast of Corpus Christi. As has been done throughout the centuries, from the first celebration of the feast in Liège, the Blessed Sacrament is carried in procession after Mass.

Corpus Christi procession in Rome
with Pope Saint Pius X carrying the Sacrament;
two thurifers swinging censers walk ahead.

In many places, this feast is transferred to the nearest Sunday, or the Sunday after the proper feast.

Regulations for the Philippines
In the Rituale Romanum, we read the following rubric concerning the incensations done in the procession:

    […] et duo acolythi vel Clerici cum thuribulis fumantibus praecedunt.

In English, this reads:

    […] and two acolytes or Clerics walk ahead with fuming thuribles.

From this short phrase arose one of the greatest debates in rubrical minutiae: should the thurifers walk normally, their backs to the Sacrament; or should they walk backwards, facing the Sacrament? The former is the practice in Rome; the latter is almost universally frowned upon as supremely indecorous and inappropriate by liturgists. Still, outside Rome, probably under the influence of the Ambrosian dictum, many opt to do the latter.

Which of these two is prescribed for us in the Philippine Islands? The answer, surprisingly, is “None.” It appears to us that, outside Rome, the Sacred Congregation allowed a certain degree of rubrical scrupulosity to determine the position of the thurifers. Thus, the 1962 Manuale Manilense, the version of the Rituale Romanum commanded for use in the Philippine Islands, adds a footnote to this rubric:

    Non licet adhibere plures quam duos thuriferarios (Decr. 3448, 9) ; et procedere tenentur hinc inde ante Celebrantem extra baldachinum continuo Ssmum. Sacramentum thurificantes, facie quasi ad invicem versa (Decr. 2368), ne terga Sanctissimo obvertant.

Again, in English, this reads:

    It is not lawful to make use of more than two thurifers (Decr. 3448, 9); they are made to proceed from here (i.e., the sanctuary, where the procession starts—Siniculus) onwards ahead of the Celebrant, outside the canopy, continuously censing the Most Blessed Sacrament, with their faces somewhat turned to one another (Decr. 2368), lest they turn their backs to the Blessed Sacrament.

Below we publish the quoted decrees, first in their Latin original, and then in our English translation.

Number of thurifers
Here is the first decree, which forbids the number of thurifers in Theophoric Processions to exceed two.

READ MORE: http://deipraesidiofultus.blogspot.com/2015/06/thurification-in-theophoric-processions.html

do you post all these blog posts hre?

I haven't posting articles in a long time.

N.

just noticed a bunch all at once from the same blog, homie. is it your blog? or just one you are a fan of?


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SOT SAPIENCIA
FORMAQUE DETUR
INQUINAT OMNIA SOLA
SUPERBIA SICOMETETUR

Never lose Hope... Take a deep breath and have a beer.

Mother Aubert Pray For Us!



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Re: Thurification in Theophoric Processions
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2015, 08:10:29 AM »
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015, Christendom will celebrate the feast of Corpus Christi. As has been done throughout the centuries, from the first celebration of the feast in Liège, the Blessed Sacrament is carried in procession after Mass.

Corpus Christi procession in Rome
with Pope Saint Pius X carrying the Sacrament;
two thurifers swinging censers walk ahead.

In many places, this feast is transferred to the nearest Sunday, or the Sunday after the proper feast.

Regulations for the Philippines
In the Rituale Romanum, we read the following rubric concerning the incensations done in the procession:

    […] et duo acolythi vel Clerici cum thuribulis fumantibus praecedunt.

In English, this reads:

    […] and two acolytes or Clerics walk ahead with fuming thuribles.

From this short phrase arose one of the greatest debates in rubrical minutiae: should the thurifers walk normally, their backs to the Sacrament; or should they walk backwards, facing the Sacrament? The former is the practice in Rome; the latter is almost universally frowned upon as supremely indecorous and inappropriate by liturgists. Still, outside Rome, probably under the influence of the Ambrosian dictum, many opt to do the latter.

Which of these two is prescribed for us in the Philippine Islands? The answer, surprisingly, is “None.” It appears to us that, outside Rome, the Sacred Congregation allowed a certain degree of rubrical scrupulosity to determine the position of the thurifers. Thus, the 1962 Manuale Manilense, the version of the Rituale Romanum commanded for use in the Philippine Islands, adds a footnote to this rubric:

    Non licet adhibere plures quam duos thuriferarios (Decr. 3448, 9) ; et procedere tenentur hinc inde ante Celebrantem extra baldachinum continuo Ssmum. Sacramentum thurificantes, facie quasi ad invicem versa (Decr. 2368), ne terga Sanctissimo obvertant.

Again, in English, this reads:

    It is not lawful to make use of more than two thurifers (Decr. 3448, 9); they are made to proceed from here (i.e., the sanctuary, where the procession starts—Siniculus) onwards ahead of the Celebrant, outside the canopy, continuously censing the Most Blessed Sacrament, with their faces somewhat turned to one another (Decr. 2368), lest they turn their backs to the Blessed Sacrament.

Below we publish the quoted decrees, first in their Latin original, and then in our English translation.

Number of thurifers
Here is the first decree, which forbids the number of thurifers in Theophoric Processions to exceed two.

READ MORE: http://deipraesidiofultus.blogspot.com/2015/06/thurification-in-theophoric-processions.html

do you post all these blog posts hre?

I haven't posting articles in a long time.

N.

just noticed a bunch all at once from the same blog, homie. is it your blog? or just one you are a fan of?

No, it is not. But I do love the articles and I have not been reading it in quite a long time.

N.
Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists. - Saint Pius X

I am a نصارى

"Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them."
-Pope St. Felix III

"I would rather be a street-sweep rather than be a head of your schismatic church" (Prefiero ser lampazero a ser la cabeza de su jerarquia cismatica)

- Bishop Jorge Imperial Barlin, first native Filipino bishop  to Gregorio Aglipay after the latter offered the him to be the "bishop" of his "church".