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General News and Discussion / Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Last post by Graham on January 25, 2020, 06:00:14 PM »
Good take by that Cheeky Coot, Derbyshire:

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/america-catches-coronavirus-panic/

This take is dead wrong. Potential pandemics are a kind of risk that's vastly ameliorated by public concern and swift action. Being beaten by a Chinese prison guard may currently be causing more deaths, but it's a health risk that doesnt have the potential to spread geometrically across the globe in a matter of months. Comparing the two makes him look dumb.

Maybe you should write for Unz.com.

Ron Unz has turned down people far smarter than me. Do you remember the poster Man of the West on CathInfo? He comments prolifically on Unz under the name Intelligent Dasein, and has been turned down multiple times. He's brilliant, original, and a tremendously good writer. I dont exactly know what kind of stable Ron has built but ive noticed it generally excludes those qualities
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General News and Discussion / Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Last post by Heinrich on January 25, 2020, 05:49:56 PM »
Good take by that Cheeky Coot, Derbyshire:

https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/america-catches-coronavirus-panic/

This take is dead wrong. Potential pandemics are a kind of risk that's vastly ameliorated by public concern and swift action. Being beaten by a Chinese prison guard may currently be causing more deaths, but it's a health risk that doesnt have the potential to spread geometrically across the globe in a matter of months. Comparing the two makes him look dumb.

Maybe you should write for Unz.com.
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General News and Discussion / Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Last post by red solo cup on January 25, 2020, 05:39:07 PM »
This article from LiveLeak showed coronavirus patients being transported in plastic boxes and tubes. The video was accompanied by lewd ads so I had to delete it.
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General News and Discussion / Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Last post by martin88nyc on January 25, 2020, 05:06:46 PM »
Research homeopathic meds which had success with the Spanish flu. It is interesting that the FDA is thinking about restricting them. No coincidence there...

Lynn do you use homeopathy?  I thought it was "evil" after finding out who is the father of this medicine. A traditional British Web Store sell homeopathic and there is a lady online who wrote lots about doctors who treated popes with homeopathic medicine. I don;t know what to think about it anymore.
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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: The "Silence" (2016) moral dilemma
« Last post by dellery on January 25, 2020, 04:18:30 PM »
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Something to think about.

Why has "Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI" BLESSED ALL new Cardinals appointed by "Pope Francis" ?


22 February 2014:
Pope Emeritus attends.

14 February 2015:
Pope Emeritus attends.

19 November 2016:
"Following the consistory ceremony, Pope Francis and the 16 new cardinals present visited the Pope emeritus as a group at his residence in Mater Ecclesiae Monastery and received his blessing"

28 June 2017:
"Following the consistory on 28 June, Pope Francis and the new cardinals visited Pope emeritus Benedict XVI, who did not attend the ceremony."

28 June 2018:
"Francis and the new cardinals visited Pope emeritus Benedict following the consistory"

5 Oct 2019:
"Following the consistory, Pope Francis and the new cardinals visited Pope emeritus Benedict, who spoke to them briefly and gave them his blessing"
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Non-Catholic Discussion Subforum / Re: Former Catholics trolling the forum
« Last post by bigbadtrad on January 25, 2020, 03:24:58 PM »
But on the subject of sex, I think it's best to understand Augustine and Jerome in the context of the greater Patristic consensus, wherein they can be better understood.  If the consensus on sex were distilled to two points, it would be:

1.  Virginity is superior to the married state, and virginity is to be praised and encouraged.
2.  Sex is to be confined to marriage, as an allowance for concupiscence and for the purpose of begetting children.

In this context, Augustine and Jerome were offering commentary on the aesthetic and spiritual value of sex.  Their views don't contradict at all with the two overarching points of the consensus.  If anything, they were essentially just reformulating the line, "it is good for a man not to touch a woman."

Agreed, but I don't think that was the argument. I think it was the view that sex was shameful, passions are foul and not fitting until after the Fall. That was my contention as I agree with what you said above. I don't think there is consensus for example passion was only after the fall.

As to that there is no Patristic consensus on my points of contention. As to what you said I don't disagree. The Latin fathers had that propensity to make those extreme arguments, but not as easily in the East. Most likely because of the married priesthood, and while there are a few quotes to the contrary to my claim, there is no vast consensus as to my points in the East. Most of the Eastern Fathers would have just repeated what you summarized above, and went no further.

A few examples would be the idea that sex didn't occur in the Garden. And the belief that sex must be shameful as one would not do that in public is ridiculous as birth is not done in public either. Almost all mammals naturally chose seclusion in the act of giving birth. Animals feel no shame but understand the intimacy given by God to protect their progeny.

Also, the logic doesn't follow that what shameful in public is shameful in private. I've spoken only of issues most intimately with my father only in private, I'm not ashamed. The public = good and private = shameful thingy doesn't work for me.

His view that sexual passion was only caused by the fall is not followed by most of his own time, and no theologian believes that for a millennia, namely, that sexual passion was only from the Fall and not an act of disorder.. Passions were made by God and are good, the disordered passion was from the Fall. This is an anomaly found only in certain Latin Patristics. Passion was to be controlled by reason, he asserts it didn't exist at all, that it's "foul". These are my points of contention, not your statements above, in which I'm in agreement.


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I don't think Augustine or Jerome any other Father has a singular authority, but unless a Father's opinion on something contradicts established Church teaching, he can at least be appealed to in a discussion of an unresolved or controversial point—or he can be diverged from, if there is an alternative view.  I fully concede, for this discussion, that there were later theologians who went against Augustine and Jerome.  In terms of myself, I suppose that for a non-Catholic, things can be taken purely à la carte on the basis of nothing other than personal preference.

I admire honesty. Thank you for that.
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General News and Discussion / Re: Chinese dropping like flies
« Last post by Lynne on January 25, 2020, 03:24:32 PM »
Research homeopathic meds which had success with the Spanish flu. It is interesting that the FDA is thinking about restricting them. No coincidence there...
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Maybe we should also hear what ex Buddhists and ex Muslims have to say about this book and then ex Hindus etc. This book is dangerous. I know a lady who considers it more important than the Bible.
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Ask a Traditionalist / Re: The "Silence" (2016) moral dilemma
« Last post by dellery on January 25, 2020, 02:58:21 PM »
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