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Traditional Catholic Discussion / Re: St. Mary's as seen by The Atlantic
« Last post by Gerard on Today at 11:32:25 AM »
Follow up post: 

If what "Tiffany" is stating is true, she's not even getting "true SSPX" positions. 

A priest saying that attendance at the local parish for a wedding "is a sin" is not in line with Catholicism or any SSPX rule.

And this part is absolutely ridiculous, it doesn't even make sense and is potentially dangerous : 

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Tiffany herself started using drugs and alcohol, but later resolved to return to the SSPX fold. She went to confession and delivered a litany of her sins, but the priest stopped her when she shared that a friend had recently had an abortion. This, the priest said, was unforgivable. While Tiffany herself had not terminated a pregnancy, she had failed to stop another woman from doing so. The priest declared that she would be excommunicated. (With proper penance, SSPX officials said, she could be reconciled with the Church.)

Abortion isn't "unforgiveable",   "failing to stop someone…" does not make someone automatically an accessory to a sin and certainly doesn't qualify as helping to procure an abortion, and any excommunication would already have occurred for a sin like procuring an abortion.  Why would the priest talk of a future excommunication?  And what is "proper penance"?  The penance itself doesn't reconcile one to the Church, the absolution does. 

Either the author is way off… Tiffany is lying or there is a totally manipulative and dangerous priest that she was confessing too.  Somebody in the St. Mary's community should be looking into this to get to the bottom of it.  If what she says is true, that sounds like a priest grooming a victim for sexual abuse. 
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Traditional Catholic Discussion / Re: St. Mary's as seen by The Atlantic
« Last post by Gerard on Today at 11:31:08 AM »
This is where I don't know what to believe. 

First, I could fully believe the author of the article is lying or simply moronically getting things wrong.   

I could also fully believe that Tiffany here is exaggerating and blowing things out of proportion because she has bought into liberal lies. 

I could also fully believe due to simply subpar education that some teachers and clergy and parents are simply idiots who can't explain a thing.  They simply regurgitate rules and haven't even absorbed the rules themselves. 

There are trads clergy and faithful that are simply trying to carbon copy the mechanical Catholicism that ended in bringing us Vatican II or trads that actually have the vitality and spirit of tradition giving spark to their faith.  They absorb what has been handed down what was good and is useful and are able to discard or avoid distortions that have crept in over the centuries in various pockets of Catholicism. 



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O Come All Ye Faithful: English Lyrics

"O come, all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant!
O come ye, O come ye to Bethlehem;
Come and behold him
Born the King of Angels:
O come, let us adore Him, (3×)
Christ the Lord.

God of God, light of light,
Lo, he abhors not the Virgin's womb;
True God, begotten, not created:
O come, let us adore Him, (3×)
Christ the Lord.

Sing, choirs of angels, sing in exultation,
Sing, all ye citizens of Heaven above!
Glory to God, glory in the highest:
O come, let us adore Him, (3×)
Christ the Lord.

Yea, Lord, we greet thee, born this happy morning;
Jesus, to thee be glory given!
Word of the Father, now in flesh appearing!
O come, let us adore Him, (3×)
Christ the Lord ...

Christ the Lord." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Come,_All_Ye_Faithful

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"Adeste Fideles" (O Come All Ye Faithful)
"Adeste fideles læti triumphantes,
Venite, venite in Bethlehem.
Natum videte
Regem angelorum:
Venite adoremus (3×)
Dominum.

Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine
Gestant puellæ viscera
Deum verum, genitum non factum.
Venite adoremus (3×)
Dominum.

Cantet nunc io, chorus angelorum;
Cantet nunc aula cælestium,
Gloria, gloria in excelsis Deo,
Venite adoremus (3×)
Dominum."
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Yes, overall it was a good article. It's a shame no one ever explained to Tiffany, though, the reason why birth control is bad. Or maybe they did and she chose not to understand.

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Tiffany Joy-Egly moved from Tulsa to St. Marys with her parents and two sisters in 1979, when she was 6 years old. Tiffany grew up immersed in the SSPX world: learning about the dangers of rock music, skipping adolescent experiments with makeup, avoiding any behavior that might tempt men into sin. But Tiffany was possessed of a skeptical mind. “I would question in religion class,” she told me at a Starbucks in Topeka, where she works as an emergency-room nurse and lives with her husband and two daughters. “If God gave us a brain, how come we can’t use birth control? Because that makes more sense than having 12 kids that you can’t afford to feed.” This attitude was not welcome at the academy. “I was in detention a lot,” she said.

 It has become infectious, these material, moral, i.e. fallacious arguments against "And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth." Genesis 1:28

Greg's dad has 54 grandchildren. 54! What a legacy. We all have friends with 5+ and 10+ children. They ain't starving. Poor, in cases. But starving and unclothed?  People are murdering their joy for a 600 a month car payment.
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Coffee and Donuts / Re: Greg and Jayne
« Last post by Heinrich on Today at 08:43:14 AM »
Jayne, how much time do you spend online each day?
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The History Subforum / Re: December 7, 1941
« Last post by Pon de Replay on Today at 07:28:15 AM »
Why American and not a bottle of Perrier?

It is true that the American beverage in question is far more the flavor of Jesuitry than Jansenism.  A later Anglophone slogan for it was, "have a Coke and a smile."  But in the movie, the Pessoa character quite by accident suggests something diabolical about Coca-Cola.  And for a Jesuit priest, it is almost second nature that every demon must be a Jansenist demon.
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Coffee and Donuts / Re: Greg and Jayne
« Last post by Jayne on Today at 07:19:27 AM »
It looks like clauclau's services as a messenger will not be required (which is just as well, given his reluctance to do it) since Greg has himself established that he is aware of this thread. 

Greg's post might give an impression of denying that he has been posting as Maxim, but it does not actually say that.  I'm looking for something along the lines of "No, I have not been posting as MaximGun."  Otherwise it could merely be misdirection.
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Traditional Catholic Discussion / Re: St. Mary's as seen by The Atlantic
« Last post by Lynne on Today at 06:35:55 AM »
Yes, overall it was a good article. It's a shame no one ever explained to Tiffany, though, the reason why birth control is bad. Or maybe they did and she chose not to understand.

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Tiffany Joy-Egly moved from Tulsa to St. Marys with her parents and two sisters in 1979, when she was 6 years old. Tiffany grew up immersed in the SSPX world: learning about the dangers of rock music, skipping adolescent experiments with makeup, avoiding any behavior that might tempt men into sin. But Tiffany was possessed of a skeptical mind. “I would question in religion class,” she told me at a Starbucks in Topeka, where she works as an emergency-room nurse and lives with her husband and two daughters. “If God gave us a brain, how come we can’t use birth control? Because that makes more sense than having 12 kids that you can’t afford to feed.” This attitude was not welcome at the academy. “I was in detention a lot,” she said.


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DAY 44 - MARY, QUEEN OF VIRGINS, PRAY FOR US
OIL - OBEDIENCE IN LOVE


How then are we to prepare our restless hearts to receive the power of the Holy Spirit? Recall Jesus' parable of the ten virgins (Mt 25:1-12), five of whom were wise and five of whom were foolish. When the time came to meet the Bridegroom and go in to join the festivities, the foolish ones did not have enough oil for their lamps. They were forced to go get more oil while everyone else went in to "join the dance."

Why has study after study shown that people of religious conviction are the happiest? For those who have yielded to a deeply devoted (semper fi) love relationship with Jesus, there is a distinctive serenity and joy about them. There seems to be an extra spring in their step and twinkle in their eye. Far from the boredom and misery of sloth, they radiate a supernatural love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, and gentleness (Fruit of the Holy Spirit, Gal 5:22-23). They are attracted to spiritual things. They have a resolve to lighten the burdens of others. They have a sense of purpose and mission. They seem to have discovered the way to "join the dance" of life.

In the meantime, like the five foolish virgins, there are those who seem to be "on the outside looking in," wondering what it takes to be invited to "the dance of life."

Now, the Holy Spirit is often depicted as fire. Jesus said, "I have come to cast fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled" (Lk 12:49).

So, what is the fuel we offer for the Holy Spirit's fire? The word "oil" provides a superb acronym to describe the necessary fuel for receiving the fire of the Holy Spirit: O.I.L. = Obedience In Love.

Blessed Charles de Foucauld called obedience the "yardstick of love." It's a clear way we measure the fidelity and unselfishness of our hearts. Jesus said that his yoke is easy and his burden light (Mt 11:28-30) not because he would ask less of us, but because he knew that love renders suffering bearable and even joyful. St. Ignatius of Loyola said, "It is not hard to obey when we love the one whom we obey." (Excerpt from Church Militant Field Manual).

PRAY A ROSARY
Choose either:
Rosary of the Day: Sorrowful Mysteries
Traditional 54 Day Rotation: Joyful Mysteries
PRAYERS FOR TRADITIONAL 54 DAY NOVENA

THE JOYFUL MYSTERIES OF THE HOLY ROSARY

Prayer before the recitation: Sign of the cross. Hail Mary.
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