Suscipe Domine Traditional Catholic Forum

The Church Courtyard => Traditional Catholic Discussion => Topic started by: Croix de Fer on September 06, 2020, 06:50:53 AM

Title: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 06, 2020, 06:50:53 AM
For those of you with low attention span and the "I want it now" modernist mentality, go to 6:20, but the prior 6 minutes is good primer info for what follows.

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Philip G. on September 06, 2020, 03:38:12 PM
I wear not having voted for Trump in 2016 as a badge of honor.  I won't be voting for him in 2020 either.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 06, 2020, 05:32:29 PM
If this is the Mark of the Beast being implemented not just by Trump but globally, then it's worth bearing in mind the horrible things that happen to those who accept it.

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: LausTibiChriste on September 06, 2020, 05:40:42 PM
#MAGAVaxx crowd is gonna go into this 100% willingly and once they do, (((they))) have annihilated 99% of their opposition.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 06, 2020, 06:40:51 PM
Isn't it incredible to think that when St John was on the island of Patmos recording his visions in the Book of Revelations, he was actually referring to the covid vaccine, or more specifically, the vaccine delivery system which is detectable on your skin, contain nano needles which inject stuff into your cells and can also give access to all your financial and other data.

It's too incredible, or ridiculous, to be possible.

But, anyway, here's what happens to those who accept it.

Quote

And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels: Go, and pour out the seven vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men, who had the character of the beast; and upon them that adored the image thereof.
Rev 16:1-2

It's the vaccine delivery system that's the problem.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: LausTibiChriste on September 06, 2020, 06:45:00 PM
Isn't it incredible to think that when St John was on the island of Patmos recording his visions in the Book of Revelations, he was actually referring to the covid vaccine, or more specifically, the vaccine delivery system which is detectable on your skin, contain nano needles which inject stuff into your cells and can also give access to all your financial and other data.

It's too incredible, or ridiculous, to be possible.

But, anyway, here's what happens to those who accept it.

Quote

And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels: Go, and pour out the seven vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men, who had the character of the beast; and upon them that adored the image thereof.
Rev 16:1-2

It's the vaccine delivery system that's the problem.

Suddenly all the Anti-Vaxxers are quiter than a convent at 2am because their demi-God is promoting the Vaxx.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Graham on September 06, 2020, 09:06:00 PM
The release of a US made vaccine is the all clear signal for the economy. If it comes before the election it will boost approval for him. It is very stupid but hey, that's why it's called clown world. Trump will not make a vaccine mandatory, bookmark this post (if you mouth breathers know how).
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Philip G. on September 06, 2020, 09:35:50 PM
The release of a US made vaccine is the all clear signal for the economy. If it comes before the election it will boost approval for him. It is very stupid but hey, that's why it's called clown world. Trump will not make a vaccine mandatory, bookmark this post (if you mouth breathers know how).

Of course Trump will not make it mandatory.  All he has to do is not stop certain states from doing so.  He is complicit, and his actions are an essential service unto bringing about the end result.  Operation warp speed.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 06, 2020, 11:52:47 PM
Wait.  I'm not following.  So people here think that Trump is the Anti-Christ?  (That is, I thought it was supposedly the Antichrist who will insist on The Mark of the Beast.)
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 07, 2020, 04:09:06 AM
Isn't it incredible to think that when St John was on the island of Patmos recording his visions in the Book of Revelations, he was actually referring to the covid vaccine, or more specifically, the vaccine delivery system which is detectable on your skin, contain nano needles which inject stuff into your cells and can also give access to all your financial and other data.

It's too incredible, or ridiculous, to be possible.

But, anyway, here's what happens to those who accept it.

Quote




And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels: Go, and pour out the seven vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men, who had the character of the beast; and upon them that adored the image thereof.
Rev 16:1-2

It's the vaccine delivery system that's the problem.

Suddenly all the Anti-Vaxxers are quiter than a convent at 2am because their demi-God is promoting the Vaxx.

Anti vaxxer here and I've been wary of Trump for over two years now especially when he didn't lock her up and didn't defund pp.  When riots began I thought it might be a ploy to have the army on the streets and that the masses would become desensitised to seeing the army roaming the suburbs.

Trust the plan....beware of the plan.

No Trump is not the ANti Christ but I suspect he is NWO and is in place for the anti Christ (do NWO agents know its the antichrist that they are working for, I'm not sure).

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 07, 2020, 04:16:45 AM
I see certain politicians that are completely out of their depth or expertise as Ministers in our parliament.  When our gay minister for children was protected even after finding he was a friend of a UK paedophile sympathiser and it went viral.  I see our Taoiseach (PM) was centre stage during our celtic tiger bust and as culpable for the hard recession we suffered from 2008, yet he was able to survive the purge of those that caused it.  He ruled the political party like a stalinist in the years since, was useless in opposition, betrayed his conservative party by supporting the abortion referendum and yet he is now Taoiseach.

The NWO agents are in place and they're going nowhere until this is done.  I suspect unfortunately, Trump maybe an agent in situ.

Think about why on earth would the Democrats pick an obvious decrepit buffoon who is an on camera creep around kids as an opposition?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 07, 2020, 07:07:57 AM
Wait.  I'm not following.  So people here think that Trump is the Anti-Christ?  (That is, I thought it was supposedly the Antichrist who will insist on The Mark of the Beast.)

Why would anyone think that Trump is the antichrist?

Besides, it's not all about Trump or the USA as many here (Americans) seem to think.  This is global and Trump is just another of the globalist yes men in governments across the world who are helping create the NWO.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 07, 2020, 07:10:59 AM
The release of a US made vaccine is the all clear signal for the economy. If it comes before the election it will boost approval for him. It is very stupid but hey, that's why it's called clown world. Trump will not make a vaccine mandatory, bookmark this post (if you mouth breathers know how).

Of course Trump will not make it mandatory.  All he has to do is not stop certain states from doing so.  He is complicit, and his actions are an essential service unto bringing about the end result.  Operation warp speed.

The vaccine doesn't need to be mandatory. 

It's just that without it and its nano technology delivery system, you won't be able to function in society since you won't be able to buy or sell anything.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Jmartyr on September 07, 2020, 10:23:58 AM
Wait.  I'm not following.  So people here think that Trump is the Anti-Christ?  (That is, I thought it was supposedly the Antichrist who will insist on The Mark of the Beast.)
Yes, and the miraculous cure of his headwound will be a different haircut, lol 
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Prayerful on September 07, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
No he isn't. Donald Trump should get rid of fortunate son (((Jared Kushner))) who is a likely origin of any possible Federal COVID vaccination program. Hell will freeze over first, and Francis will get conditional ordination and say a TLM next, and this Jared will no longer be an advisor.

Before vaccination a parent had repeatedly to bury dead children who died from illness, be it smallpox or TB, which no longer exist as a public health threat outside some dumps. Vaccination is a refinement of variolation which was introduced by Lady Mary Wortley Montagu early in the eighteenth century, refined later by Edward Jenner to the safer inoculation (incidentally a Freemason) but had been used in China since at least the fifteenth century. Vaccination has its issues, but NOT the stuff suggested by the fraud and ex doctor Andrew Wakefield.

Big pharma are scumbags, and will probably happily use the flawed Russian vaccine, or whatever they can mix up, if it means profit for shareholders and board members. A mandatory vaccine for a variation of the common cold would be bad thing, but vaccinations themselves are good. Dying of smallpox and other once raging epidemics isn't good. A COVID vaccine for the Powers That Be, plus mask fascist Karens, will happen. It'll probably harm a good few (the reports and the resignation of Russia's Chief Medical Officer, over the rushed approval, suggests so), but we've no say in that. The Powers That Be want it, so Trump-Biden-Harris will sign off on it. Hydroxychloroquine and various other medications that can be generically produced, would likely work for those who genuinely afflicted by COVID, but billionaire yachts don't pay for themselves.

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 07, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
Wait.  I'm not following.  So people here think that Trump is the Anti-Christ?  (That is, I thought it was supposedly the Antichrist who will insist on The Mark of the Beast.)

Why would anyone think that Trump is the antichrist?

Because of the title and content of this thread, including your own Reply #2.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 07, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
No he isn't. Donald Trump should get rid of fortunate son (((Jared Kushner))) who is a likely origin of any possible Federal COVID vaccination program. Hell will freeze over first, and Francis will get conditional ordination and say a TLM next, and this Jared will no longer be an advisor.

Before vaccination a parent had repeatedly to bury dead children who died from illness, be it smallpox or TB, which no longer exist as a public health threat outside some dumps. Vaccination is a refinement of variolation which was introduced by Lady Mary Wortley Montagu early in the eighteenth century, refined later by Edward Jenner to the safer inoculation (incidentally a Freemason) but had been used in China since at least the fifteenth century. Vaccination has its issues, but NOT the stuff suggested by the fraud and ex doctor Andrew Wakefield.

Big pharma are scumbags, and will probably happily use the flawed Russian vaccine, or whatever they can mix up, if it means profit for shareholders and board members. A mandatory vaccine for a variation of the common cold would be bad thing, but vaccinations themselves are good. Dying of smallpox and other once raging epidemics isn't good. A COVID vaccine for the Powers That Be, plus mask fascist Karens, will happen. It'll probably harm a good few (the reports and the resignation of Russia's Chief Medical Officer, over the rushed approval, suggests so), but we've no say in that. The Powers That Be want it, so Trump-Biden-Harris will sign off on it. Hydroxychloroquine and various other medications that can be generically produced, would likely work for those who genuinely afflicted by COVID, but billionaire yachts don't pay for themselves.

 :shrug:

I'm not going to do a pro or anti vaxx argument as I absolutely disagree that vaccinations are a good thing but how and ever you are spot on with your post otherwise.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 07, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Lots of accusations made, but who is the woman and what is her background to believe she is credible?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: The Theosist on September 07, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
Before vaccination a parent had repeatedly to bury dead children who died from illness

A change which you will never prove has anything to do with the advent of vaccination.

Quote
be it smallpox or TB, which no longer exist as a public health threat outside some dumps.

Yes, toxic dumps of pollution, poor sanitation and malnutrition. Funny how that works, isn't it?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 07, 2020, 04:39:37 PM
Lots of accusations made, but who is the woman and what is her background to believe she is credible?

I wondered that too. But there are others saying what she's saying and it's basically about a nano needle vaccine patch on the skin which can be scanned with a smartphone as well as storing your medical data.

For example -

Quote


Storing medical information below the skin’s surface

Specialized dye, delivered along with a vaccine, could enable “on-patient” storage of vaccination history.


Several years ago, the MIT team set out to devise a method for recording vaccination information in a way that doesn’t require a centralized database or other infrastructure. Many vaccines, such as the vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR), require multiple doses spaced out at certain intervals; without accurate records, children may not receive all of the necessary doses.

“In order to be protected against most pathogens, one needs multiple vaccinations,” Jaklenec says. “In some areas in the developing world, it can be very challenging to do this, as there is a lack of data about who has been vaccinated and whether they need additional shots or not.”

To create an “on-patient,” decentralized medical record, the researchers developed a new type of copper-based quantum dots, which emit light in the near-infrared spectrum. The dots are only about 4 nanometers in diameter, but they are encapsulated in biocompatible microparticles that form spheres about 20 microns in diameter. This encapsulation allows the dye to remain in place, under the skin, after being injected.

The researchers designed their dye to be delivered by a microneedle patch rather than a traditional syringe and needle. Such patches are now being developed to deliver vaccines for measles, rubella, and other diseases, and the researchers showed that their dye could be easily incorporated into these patches.

The microneedles used in this study are made from a mixture of dissolvable sugar and a polymer called PVA, as well as the quantum-dot dye and the vaccine. When the patch is applied to the skin, the microneedles, which are 1.5 millimeters long, partially dissolve, releasing their payload within about two minutes.

By selectively loading microparticles into microneedles, the patches deliver a pattern in the skin that is invisible to the naked eye but can be scanned with a smartphone that has the infrared filter removed. The patch can be customized to imprint different patterns that correspond to the type of vaccine delivered.

“It’s possible someday that this ‘invisible’ approach could create new possibilities for data storage, biosensing, and vaccine applications that could improve how medical care is provided, particularly in the developing world,” Langer says.

https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218

A vaccine patch on your skin which delivers the vaccine AND stores your vaccination history - and if you don't have the patch you won't be able to buy or sell according to those who claim that this vaccine patch, or something like it, will be the Mark of the Beast.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: TheReturnofLive on September 07, 2020, 07:43:56 PM
#MAGAVaxx crowd is gonna go into this 100% willingly and once they do, (((they))) have annihilated 99% of their opposition.

(((They))) have already won. There is no opposition.

(((They))) have total control over our norms and culture. Once you have that, who exactly has the seat of President is irrelevant.

Our society is going to collapse because of (((their))) twisted worldview.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Bernadette on September 07, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
I thought there had to be an antichrist in order to have a mark of the beast?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 07, 2020, 08:06:16 PM
The mark of the beast cannot be a vaccine.  Since those with the mark are damned, and irretrivably so, accepting the mark of the beast must be a mortal sin and a deliberate choice or act against God.

In the case of a vaccine there would be stupid, ignorant, mentally handicapped people who would be ''marked by the beast' thinking they were just being vaccinated against the Kung Flu.  God would therefore have to damn them to Hell for being ignorant.

Revelation is clear that no-one with the mark of the beast is saved.  So a vaccine cannot be it.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on September 07, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
The mark of the beast cannot be a vaccine.  Since those with the mark are damned, and irretrivably so, accepting the mark of the beast must be a mortal sin and a deliberate choice or act against God.

In the case of a vaccine there would be stupid, ignorant, mentally handicapped people who would be ''marked by the beast' thinking they were just being vaccinated against the Kung Flu.  God would therefore have to damn them to Hell for being ignorant.

Revelation is clear that no-one with the mark of the beast is saved.  So a vaccine cannot be it.

Not unless people are explicitly asked to agree to obey the government and worship Satan/deny God in order to get the vaccine and buy and sell anything. Wanting to avoid a real or supposed virus, wanting to buy and sell, and not being an anti-vaxxer, are not mortal sins.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Heinrich on September 07, 2020, 09:00:57 PM
Don't the Doctors of the Church state that the Anti Christ will be a jew?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 07, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
I thought there had to be an antichrist in order to have a mark of the beast?

My point exactly, Bernadette.  Thank you.
If Trump is going to be the one chiefly responsible for the Mark of the Beast compliance (issue such orders), would he not need to be the Antichrist, from whom such orders would originate?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 07, 2020, 10:06:26 PM
I thought there had to be an antichrist in order to have a mark of the beast?


If Trump is going to be the one chiefly responsible for the Mark of the Beast compliance (issue such orders), would he not need to be the Antichrist, from whom such orders would originate?

No, he wouldn't have to be the Antichrist per se. He can carry out the spirit of Antichrist and his works. It is written:
And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.  ~ 1 John 4:3
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 07, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
Don't the Doctors of the Church state that the Anti Christ will be a jew?

A jew and a sodomite. No wonder Trump supports and is pushing the sodomite agenda, and he's controlled by his Jew daughter, Ivanka and Jew son-in-law, Jared. Trump is the spirit of Antichrist. Bibi Netanyahu knows Kushner very well. He stayed at his parents' house when Jared was a little boy. Kushner is Bib's proxy controller, and Trump can never say "no" to his daughter.

Trump recently stated, ‘My great honor’ to be called the ‘the most pro-gay president in American history’

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/02/19/trump-administration-to-launch-worldwide-fight-to-decriminalize-homosexuality/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-my-great-honor-to-be-called-the-the-most-pro-gay-president-in-american-history

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 07, 2020, 11:24:53 PM
Don't the Doctors of the Church state that the Anti Christ will be a jew?

I forget whether they do or don't say, but it's logical to me that the person would be Jewish, given other behavior expected of him -- regarding Jerusalem, etc. (I thought he was supposed to "rule" from Jerusalem or something like that.)  Others will be quick to correct, hopefully.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 08, 2020, 02:19:13 AM
The antichrist appeared in Home Alone 2 and fought at Wrestlemania?

Does this mean Rosie O'Donnell is saved?

Why would the global media hate the antichrist more than anyone they have ever hated?

If there is anyone who is NOT the antichrist it is Donald J. Trump.  Of that I am certain.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 08, 2020, 03:36:58 AM
He maybe an agent of the anti Christ either knowingly or unknowingly but I believe he is NWO at the very least.  The anti Chirst comes out of nowhere, he will be an unknown so it won't be anyone in government now or high ranking in UN, EU or anyone famous at all. So Trump is NOT the anti Christ and I could be wrong about him but I just have my doubts.  Whats to say that Satans agents don't roll out the mark of the beast in place for him?


Yes I wondered about the children of the moronic parents who sign up for this and I'm thinking they maybe martyrs?  To commit mortal sin, one has to KNOW it is a mortal sin and has to understand its grievous.
 The vaccine may come with some form of oath to the 'great reset' , I'm sure it has to be explicit and general population will KNOW they are accepting Satan, the same population who've been taught from infants or in adulthood its no longer believable that there is a real Satan and will mock the oath but bend the knee all the same.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 08, 2020, 06:53:11 AM
Wait.  I'm not following.  So people here think that Trump is the Anti-Christ?  (That is, I thought it was supposedly the Antichrist who will insist on The Mark of the Beast.)

Why would anyone think that Trump is the antichrist?

Because of the title and content of this thread, including your own Reply #2.

In my reply I said that the implementation was being carried out "not just by Trump but globally", meaning that if the claims being made are sound, then Trump is AN antichrist, along with Johnson, Macron, Merkel and the rest, but he is not THE antichrist, and neither are they. 

The nano vaccination patch, which can be scanned by a mobile phone and can store your personal data, sounds like it could easily be the Mark of the Beast.  Those who don’t accept it could be barred from buying and selling at the flick of a switch.  But those who accept it will also worship his image and at present only about half of people surveyed in the UK would accept the vaccine which is due to be rolled out in 2021.  I’m guessing that the US would be the same, and the rest of Europe and everywhere else.  Many people will simply refuse the vaccine patch.

So I’m also guessing that the big daddy Antichrist would have to reveal himself when the time comes to implement the Mark on a global scale which won’t be until they roll out the vaccine patch globally.  This is the New World Order and a one world government. 

It’s too incredible really, but the nano vaccine patch is pretty close to being able to achieve what Revelations predicts, and so it’s hardly surprising if people, including me, are speculating.  Greg once persuaded me to put a time scale on this which I foolishly did.  But I can’t see anything but lies coming out of the modern world – it’s got that bad.  It’s all lies and they’re all liars.

So without speculating over time lines, if the nano vaccine patch fits the bill for being the Mark, then the Antichrist will appear when his globalist minions, including Trum, Johnson, Macron, Merkel, are ready to roll it out globally.

IF…….
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 08, 2020, 06:53:48 AM
If Trump was NWO why would he attend the March for Life?  The first President to ever do that.  Bush was NWO for sure, so why did he not attend it and get the support and backing of pro-lifers?

Why would the global media, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, big business, the EU all hate someone who was a disciple of the New World Order?  The same New World Order they are part of.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.  Trump is the most hated US President in living memory.  I've never seen so much hate, lies told, rage, insanity over an elected President.

So why would the New World Order hate the New World Order?

If you are stupid enough to believe it is "all a giant act", then what is not an act?  Perhaps 2000 years of Christianity is an act too?  How could you prove it was not?  One generation of acting Churchmen passing the secret down to the next and enjoying their palaces, fine robes, wine, women and rent-boys.

At some point in life you have to take something at face value or life is unlivable.

My assessment of Trump is that he is a massively confident, thick-skinned troll with enormous balls who just ran for President and won.  They said it was impossible but Trump is so egotistical that he simply ignored them and tried it.  Now he is there, he is not entirely sure how to behave or what to do.  He is winging it.  That makes him highly unpredictable, but better than that evil bitch Clinton or any left-winger being in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 08, 2020, 07:57:33 AM
If Trump was NWO why would he attend the March for Life?  The first President to ever do that.  Bush was NWO for sure, so why did he not attend it and get the support and backing of pro-lifers?

Why would the global media, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, big business, the EU all hate someone who was a disciple of the New World Order?  The same New World Order they are part of.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.  Trump is the most hated US President in living memory.  I've never seen so much hate, lies told, rage, insanity over an elected President.

So why would the New World Order hate the New World Order?

If you are stupid enough to believe it is "all a giant act", then what is not an act?  Perhaps 2000 years of Christianity is an act too?  How could you prove it was not?  One generation of acting Churchmen passing the secret down to the next and enjoying their palaces, fine robes, wine, women and rent-boys.

At some point in life you have to take something at face value or life is unlivable.

My assessment of Trump is that he is a massively confident, thick-skinned troll with enormous balls who just ran for President and won.  They said it was impossible but Trump is so egotistical that he simply ignored them and tried it.  Now he is there, he is not entirely sure how to behave or what to do.  He is winging it.  That makes him highly unpredictable, but better than that evil bitch Clinton or any left-winger being in the Oval Office.

Have a look at what went on during the last days of the Roman Republic and the answers to your questions are there.

Basically - just because a bunch of globalist elites are working in tandem to impose the NWO, doesn't mean that they aren't also jockeying for power to determine who has the upper hand when the NWO is finally rolled out.

Elites have one primary purpose - to remain elites.  They may work together and cooperate in order to ensure their status remains, but that doesn't mean they necessarily like each other and wouldn't readily backstab each other for gain.

Besides, it's only the herd and their managers who really hate Donald Trump, and this is very useful to the actual elites who watch and laugh because the haters are being manipulated and they will queue up for the Mark of the Beast too.  They wear masks on their protests, don't they.

If Donald Trump is in on the NWO and is helping implement it, then he will have betrayed you.  Welcome to the club of those betrayed by those they elected.  It already happened to the working class under Labour, as I well remember, and now it's happening to conservatives. 

Sorry ...
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 08, 2020, 10:19:16 AM
If the globalist new world order elites have enough spare energy and capacity for a death match showdown with each other despite wanting population reduction, global homosexual acceptance, a global digital currency, and the destruction of Christian morality, then frankly we are all screwed.  There is nothing us little peons can do about it.  Why worry?  Pointless worrying about that over which you have zero control or influence.

I have seen Trads worry about this shit for decades and so far they have been wrong at every prediction. Benjamin Creme then Clinton was the antichrist, then Bush, the Soros, then Putin, then Obama, then Putin again, now Trump.

I doubt you will spot the antichrist when he arrives. You will be too busy thinking it is someone else.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 08, 2020, 11:13:45 AM

I have seen Trads worry about this shit for decades and so far they have been wrong at every prediction. Benjamin Creme then Clinton was the antichrist, then Bush, the Soros, then Putin, then Obama, then Putin again, now Trump.

Nobody here is saying Trump is the Antichrist per se.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 08, 2020, 11:31:31 AM
You are implying he either is the antichrist or working as his henchman.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 08, 2020, 12:16:17 PM
Not implying he's Antichrist but he is, indeed, a purveyor of Antichrist and is of his spirit. An agent of his. Really no more or less than Obama.

"By their fruits you will know them" ~ Jesus Christ

Trump's fruits are rotten. Everything else, he has been all talk, no action.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 08, 2020, 12:18:32 PM
Well, I will give him 4 more years to decide that.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Vetus Ordo on September 08, 2020, 12:30:16 PM
Is Trump part of the NWO? Sure. Any political leader of the world can be deemed to be a part of the game.

We can interpret reality as an elaborate theatrical play by an invisible elite to entertain the gullible masses and feed the different political factions. But is there intellectual merit to this? Not much. Trump is a complete oddball that won the most coveted political seat of our time against many odds. He was despised by the Republican leaders themselves. As Greg pointed out, Trump is hated to the core by all major progressive lobbies that dominate the media and the political establishment, regardless of his shortcomings as a man and as a leader. Is such constant vitriol against him normal? Not really. The only comparable scenarios elsewhere in the West occur with Bolsonaro in Brazil or Orban in Hungary. The Brexiteers were equally demonized as a whole. Communist dictators like Kim Jong-un, or iconic Islamic leaders like Erdoğan, are also despised by Western media but not to the same extent, or for the same reasons, although they also posit a threat to the NWO.

Is this reality all staged and part of the plan? If you want to go down that rabbit hole, it is theoretically possible. So is solipsism. Be my guest. I should warn you, though, that with such epistemological framework there will be Antichrists popping out left and right even at your local grocery store. It's an unlivable, unrealistic and immature take on reality. As for "transhumanism" and the "mark of the beast" in the video, I have no idea who that woman is and what credibility she has. In any case, those terms are very loosely defined to warrant any substantial discussion.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 08, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
In the case of a vaccine there would be stupid, ignorant, mentally handicapped people who would be ''marked by the beast' thinking they were just being vaccinated against the Kung Flu.  God would therefore have to damn them to Hell for being ignorant.


Stupidity and ignorance isn't a get out of hell free pass. You must also believe in "invincible ignorance".

Your argument is based off the false premise that most people genuinely seek God and His truth; and they seek, foremost, to know, love and serve Him, but that's not true.

Even ostensible "Christians" will take the Mark of the Beast. Our Lord tells us the elect, if possible, will be deceived, so certainly those claiming to be "Christian" but are not will be deceived and take the Mark.

It is written:
And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: ~ 2 Thessalonians 2:10

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 08, 2020, 01:59:14 PM
No, my argument is based of the reality that half of people have an IQ of under 100 and many will believe that the vaccine protects them from a deadly virus.

You only have to look at the 90 percent wearing masks to see that most people are just doing what they are told and intellectually incapable of assessing the data and the risks.

They are not culpable for being dim.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 08, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
You are implying he either is the antichrist or working as his henchman.

You are stating again and again that we are saying Trump is the anti christ....no we are not and I myself am not speculating as to who is.  What I am fairly sure of is that the NWO is at the pinnacle of its plan and that out of this may come (I believe so) the antiChrist.

Awkward truly gets it.  George Orwell 1984 when Eastasia hates Oceania and then loves Oceania but hates Eurasia who then treaties with Oceania against Eastasia and then they all fight against each other then another treaty and then war again between Eastasia and Oceania...............................................

Evil agents have one thing in common, they became agents for power and riches so battles within the elites is continuous as they want to be top dog or their pissed off someone is stealing their thunder. Elites are still human who have no moral compass therefore under the same failings and vices only worse, envy, sloth, greed, lust and so on.

Greg, people are not mostly compliant becuase they cannot work out that its a scam, most people suspect somethings 'off' a lot more know its bullshit but more than half are too cowardly and comfortable to go against the grain and will accept the mark of the beast to avoid hardship even if it means bending the knee before a statue of baal .
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 08, 2020, 06:49:03 PM
CNN hates him, really?

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1303446587264380930

CNN  CEO Jeff Zucker advised Trump before his debate in 2016

please don't do a 'so he whispered in his ear, pinch your hand to look like your tearing up' playing it down thing , they hate him remember!!
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 09, 2020, 10:54:28 AM
I think it is fair and reasonable to say that CNN hates Trump.

One swallow, does not a summer make.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: mikemac on September 09, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
I don't get Fox but I get CNN.  I hardly ever watch it but last week I turned it on just for a change.  Yep, CNN hates Trump.  It's very obvious.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Lynne on September 09, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
CNN hates him, really?

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1303446587264380930

CNN  CEO Jeff Zucker advised Trump before his debate in 2016

please don't do a 'so he whispered in his ear, pinch your hand to look like your tearing up' playing it down thing , they hate him remember!!

The exact quote is "before a debate in 2016" Perhaps one of the Republican debates, i.e. before he got the nomination? Of course Zucker would do that. They thought he was a weak candidate and that it would be easy for Hillary to beat him. Oops.
 
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 10, 2020, 03:19:01 AM
CNN hates him, really?

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1303446587264380930

CNN  CEO Jeff Zucker advised Trump before his debate in 2016

please don't do a 'so he whispered in his ear, pinch your hand to look like your tearing up' playing it down thing , they hate him remember!!

The exact quote is "before a debate in 2016" Perhaps one of the Republican debates, i.e. before he got the nomination? Of course Zucker would do that. They thought he was a weak candidate and that it would be easy for Hillary to beat him. Oops.
 

Perhaps?  but your not certain?

 
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on September 11, 2020, 09:20:43 PM
The mark of the beast cannot be a vaccine.  Since those with the mark are damned, and irretrivably so, accepting the mark of the beast must be a mortal sin and a deliberate choice or act against God.

In the case of a vaccine there would be stupid, ignorant, mentally handicapped people who would be ''marked by the beast' thinking they were just being vaccinated against the Kung Flu.  God would therefore have to damn them to Hell for being ignorant.

Revelation is clear that no-one with the mark of the beast is saved.  So a vaccine cannot be it.

Not unless people are explicitly asked to agree to obey the government and worship Satan/deny God in order to get the vaccine and buy and sell anything. Wanting to avoid a real or supposed virus, wanting to buy and sell, and not being an anti-vaxxer, are not mortal sins.

Continuing thoughts...

A few people still think the Social Security Number is the mark of the beast https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/07/16/social-security-number-may-be-mark-of-the-beast-but-that-will-not-save-your-job/#1ae1ad754fc1.

But even if IT were imprinted from the very start by a indelible stamp on your hand accepting it would not have been one and the same as accepting Satan or worshiping him, unless that were the clear agreement when accepting it.

Fight the vaccine being maybe dangerous to physical health, or its stamp being an invasion of privacy.  Fight the evil or imprudent men who rush things, or suppress inexpensive remedies or exaggerate numbers. But any mark(s) left by a vaccine are not "of the beast" unless a man's free will knowingly worships SATAN in accepting it.  NOT accepting (even mistakenly) something to help his health OR even to buy and sell.  But agreeing to obey SATAN and not GOD.

Fight a vaccine mandate if it makes sense. But making "it's the mark of the beast" as the argument, is just outlandish and stirs up fear in some and ridicule in others.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 12, 2020, 09:15:43 PM
Michael Matt on Trump and Trads who won't support him.


The Matts have been Trads as long as Trads have existed.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 13, 2020, 03:36:05 AM
Michael Matt on Trump and Trads who won't support him.


The Matts have been Trads as long as Trads have existed.

Why doesn't he fire him then.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 13, 2020, 03:40:32 AM
The mark of the beast cannot be a vaccine.  Since those with the mark are damned, and irretrivably so, accepting the mark of the beast must be a mortal sin and a deliberate choice or act against God.

In the case of a vaccine there would be stupid, ignorant, mentally handicapped people who would be ''marked by the beast' thinking they were just being vaccinated against the Kung Flu.  God would therefore have to damn them to Hell for being ignorant.

Revelation is clear that no-one with the mark of the beast is saved.  So a vaccine cannot be it.

 

Not unless people are explicitly asked to agree to obey the government and worship Satan/deny God in order to get the vaccine and buy and sell anything. Wanting to avoid a real or supposed virus, wanting to buy and sell, and not being an anti-vaxxer, are not mortal sins.

Continuing thoughts...

A few people still think the Social Security Number is the mark of the beast https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2014/07/16/social-security-number-may-be-mark-of-the-beast-but-that-will-not-save-your-job/#1ae1ad754fc1.

But even if IT were imprinted from the very start by a indelible stamp on your hand accepting it would not have been one and the same as accepting Satan or worshiping him, unless that were the clear agreement when accepting it.

Fight the vaccine being maybe dangerous to physical health, or its stamp being an invasion of privacy.  Fight the evil or imprudent men who rush things, or suppress inexpensive remedies or exaggerate numbers. But any mark(s) left by a vaccine are not "of the beast" unless a man's free will knowingly worships SATAN in accepting it.  NOT accepting (even mistakenly) something to help his health OR even to buy and sell.  But agreeing to obey SATAN and not GOD.

Fight a vaccine mandate if it makes sense. But making "it's the mark of the beast" as the argument, is just outlandish and stirs up fear in some and ridicule in others.

Nobody is saying the vaccine is the mark of the beast as a donedeal.  It is just looking extremely likely considering especially the patent Bill Gates and his co horts have on the virus, the crypto currency quantam dot delivery system and his investing millions and making millions from the vaccine and many other vaccines.  I do think that the vaccine if it is the M.O.B will involve some sort of bend the knee oath to Satan.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 13, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
Fauci is a crypto-Jew. When he was head of NIH in 2014, he pursued & funded hybrid coronavirus research at the Wuhan Lab after a moratorium was placed in the U.S. over same potentially dangerous research. This is the same lab where COVID supposedly originated. And this is the man whom Trump appointed and obstinately refuses to remove. Trump is all talk but his fruit is rotten.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Vetus Ordo on September 13, 2020, 04:58:25 PM
Fauci is a crypto-Jew. When he was head of NIH in 2014, he pursued & funded hybrid coronavirus research at the Wuhan Lab after a moratorium was placed in the U.S. over same potentially dangerous research. This is the same lab where COVID supposedly originated. And this is the man whom Trump appointed and obstinately refuses to remove. Trump is all talk but his fruit is rotten.

Fauci's family is from Southern Italy.

I'm not sure there are many crypto-Jews there.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 14, 2020, 09:06:50 PM
Fauci is a crypto-Jew. When he was head of NIH in 2014, he pursued & funded hybrid coronavirus research at the Wuhan Lab after a moratorium was placed in the U.S. over same potentially dangerous research. This is the same lab where COVID supposedly originated. And this is the man whom Trump appointed and obstinately refuses to remove. Trump is all talk but his fruit is rotten.

Fauci's family is from Southern Italy.

I'm not sure there are many crypto-Jews there.

Southern Italians don't look like ashkenazi Jews. Fauci's phenotype is ashkenazi.

I'm half Italian - 1/4 Sicilian and 1/4 mainland. I know what Italians look like.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Vetus Ordo on September 14, 2020, 09:29:49 PM
Fauci is a crypto-Jew. When he was head of NIH in 2014, he pursued & funded hybrid coronavirus research at the Wuhan Lab after a moratorium was placed in the U.S. over same potentially dangerous research. This is the same lab where COVID supposedly originated. And this is the man whom Trump appointed and obstinately refuses to remove. Trump is all talk but his fruit is rotten.

Fauci's family is from Southern Italy.

I'm not sure there are many crypto-Jews there.

Southern Italians don't look like ashkenazi Jews. Fauci's phenotype is ashkenazi.

I'm half Italian - 1/4 Sicilian and 1/4 mainland. I know what Italians look like.

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.

You are claiming, contra factum cognitum, that Fauci's family is not really from Sicily and Naples?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Philip G. on September 16, 2020, 02:30:29 AM
Listen at minute 1:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=541&v=--oJkV07TgM&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 16, 2020, 02:44:21 AM
Listen at minute 1:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=541&v=--oJkV07TgM&feature=emb_logo

Everybody should watch this.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 16, 2020, 06:04:55 AM
Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.

You are claiming, contra factum cognitum, that Fauci's family is not really from Sicily and Naples?

I'm saying Fauci isn't an ethnic Italian.  He's racially Jewish, at least half. Judging by his dead-eyed, sociopathic countenance, I, also, wouldn't be surprised that he's not baptized.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 16, 2020, 06:05:43 AM
Listen at minute 1:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=541&v=--oJkV07TgM&feature=emb_logo

Everybody should watch this.

I just have.  At 1:40, Trump says this when asked about distributing the Covid vaccine -

"When we have the vaccine we have the military all lined up, and the military is going to be doing it in a very powerful manner".

Diaduit, for your bet with Greg, there's an NWO thing that Trump does - using the military to distribute the Covid vaccine in a "very powerful manner".
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 16, 2020, 09:38:00 AM
I would not read too much into Trump's words.

He uses metaphors like this all of the time.

Trump is a massive troll and many of you are stressed out and have lost your sense of humor.  Just like the leftists.

As long as he is pissing leftists off, and the bedwetters on here are stressed out about conspiracies that exist only in their own minds I'll be supporting Trump.

The moment the world likes him, I will ditch him.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 16, 2020, 11:50:36 AM

I have seen Trads worry about this shit for decades and so far they have been wrong at every prediction. Benjamin Creme then Clinton was the antichrist, then Bush, the Soros, then Putin, then Obama, then Putin again, now Trump.

Nobody here is saying Trump is the Antichrist per se.

You just called Trump "the Spirit of the Antichrist" in this post.

https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=24441.msg510971#msg510971

Please try to make sense.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 16, 2020, 01:30:10 PM
I would not read too much into Trump's words.

He uses metaphors like this all of the time.

Trump is a massive troll and many of you are stressed out and have lost your sense of humor.  Just like the leftists.

As long as he is pissing leftists off, and the bedwetters on here are stressed out about conspiracies that exist only in their own minds I'll be supporting Trump.

The moment the world likes him, I will ditch him.

Yes.  I think I get the guy, and I'm surprised that other intelligent people don't understand his style.  Yes, he's a massive troll.  He spouts off.  He's got a huge ego, but part of that I don't believe he takes seriously -- that is, I think part of what others recoil from as his "ego" is actually showmanship and bluff.  People who are seriously swallowed up and deluded by their egos are incapable of compassion, which he is not.  Such people are often even incapable of getting things done.  (Consider some autocrats of eras past -- ancient times, medieval times -- you know, bumblers because they were impeded by oversized egos.)

He ticks off and "horrifies" the MSM a ton, because he offends their intellectual sensibilities -- because theirs are arrogant and narrow, by the way, and out of touch with the priorities of the common man.

We know from Catholic theology that we tend to most despise the faults in others that are our own blind spots (i.e., major failings we prefer not to look at).  The arrogant Left cannot bear to see Trump's overstated confidence because they hold the patent on it and haven't released it for him to share.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 16, 2020, 01:51:41 PM
I read a quote from JK Rowling today.  Actually it is from one of the characters in the Harry Potter books.

Anything is possible if you've got enough nerve.

This kind of sums Trump up.  He does not have the same mental limits, borders and walls as the rest of us.  He really does not give a shit what the world thinks of him, because he thinks he is brilliant.  And in the sense that he hijacked the GOP and defeated Hillary, the world's media, Hollywood and Silicon Valley, HE IS BRILLIANT.  He has every justification to have a HUGE ego.

He became POTUS pretty much on his own.  A first.

Most people are terribly timid.  I am often one of the only people in the supermarket not wearing a mask, but on Twitter or Facebook when people complain that "masks are nonsensical" they'll get 1000 likes or more.  So there must be at least 20% of people walking around in face-nappies who don't want to wear them, but do, because they don't have the nerve to go maskless.

It is the same at the end of a lecture or conference speaker when they ask the audience for questions.  People who have paid 100s of dollars to be there are too timid to put their hand up.  I am pretty much ALWAYS the first person to ask a question.  Since I know I will be, I usually think up a really smart question.  Once I have broken the ice other people follow.

I've always had a lot of front, but over the last 15 years I really started to lose all inhibitions and now I get up and sing in Russia, New Delhi, in airport departure lounges, hotel bars, the Ritz in London.  Once you break these barriers you realise that you can get away with a hell of a lot of mucking about and be no worse the wear for it.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 16, 2020, 01:53:26 PM

He ticks off and "horrifies" the MSM a ton, because he offends their intellectual sensibilities -- because theirs are arrogant and narrow, by the way, and out of touch with the priorities of the common man.

The media plays the part of opposing Trump to get people to think he is legitimate. It's like entertainment wrestling. It's an act. Sure, there are many shills in media who genuinely hate Trump, and they work to bring him down, but they're simply pawns to keep Americans distracted and divided. It's like ISIS which was created by Mossad and CIA. Most of the members think they're acting independently and have genuine sentiment in acquiring whatever goal or Jihad they're seeking to effect. But they're idiotic pawns. They're tools used by the Jews to get a reaction from Americans to support ongoing war in the Middle East and Zionism. The media is the same in getting a reaction from TV-watchers and consumers of the false "left vs right" paradigm. If the media hates Trump, then Trump must be the good guy. People are easily deceived and manipulated.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 16, 2020, 01:55:04 PM
Please let us know how you know all of this top secret information.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 16, 2020, 02:26:35 PM
Okay,  I understand now about Trump.  He doesn't have the same limits as others on account of his massive achievements and when he opens his mouth and lets rip, we're not supposed to take his actual words seriously because he's such a massive personality that he can hardly contain himself.

So when Trump says the following about the Covid vaccine - "When we have the vaccine we have the military all lined up, and the military is going to be doing it in a very powerful manner" - we're not supposed to take him seriously.  It's just his ego.

Alright, let's see what he does if re-elected in November.  Never mind his style, his ego, his charisma.  If he is re-elected President, let's see what he does when the Covid vaccine becomes available.

Meanwhile that other great hope of conservatives, Boris Johnson, is generating rage and fury amongst increasing numbers of his supporters for his numerous betrayals.   
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Vetus Ordo on September 16, 2020, 03:28:30 PM
Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.

You are claiming, contra factum cognitum, that Fauci's family is not really from Sicily and Naples?

I'm saying Fauci isn't an ethnic Italian.  He's racially Jewish, at least half. Judging by his dead-eyed, sociopathic countenance, I, also, wouldn't be surprised that he's not baptized.

He's racially Jewish although his whole family is ethnic Italian.

So he's not really the son of his father and his mother?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 16, 2020, 04:21:58 PM
Anybody know about Book of Daniels prophecy in relation to a man making a peace deal and 70 x 70 or something?  During this mans leadership there will be no offerings or sacrifice - could this be the mass?

Trump signed a peace deal last week??

Keep in mind I never heard about this before but funny enough I was watching a crime programme on a lady in 1978 who killed her whole family because she thought it was the end of the world when there was a peace deal signed by the then President of America and she knew of a passage in the book of Daniels that she related to this deal ....and also she was obviously mentally suffering.

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on September 17, 2020, 12:53:07 AM
Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.

You are claiming, contra factum cognitum, that Fauci's family is not really from Sicily and Naples?

I'm saying Fauci isn't an ethnic Italian.  He's racially Jewish, at least half. Judging by his dead-eyed, sociopathic countenance, I, also, wouldn't be surprised that he's not baptized.

Where do you get this stuff? 

Fauci was raised a Catholic, in Jesuit schools:  https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/dr-anthony-fauci-dedicated-public-service-formed-jesuit-high-school.

Another article says "Fauci’s past is loaded with religion. He grew up in an Italian-American home that were devout Roman Catholics. He went to Regis High School, a prestigious Catholic school in New York City, and later attended Holy Cross College in Massachusetts." https://religionunplugged.com/news/2020/3/17/coronavirus-pandemic-dr-anthony-faucis-catholic-forgotten-upbringing.

I'm not promoting Fauci, and certainly not a Jesuit education.

But just because you enjoy conspiracy theories doesn't give you the right to make up facts.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 17, 2020, 12:54:34 AM
1978 - they avoided a lot of shit.

And 24 hour banking and call centres.

Thanks mum.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 17, 2020, 12:57:11 AM
He's racially Jewish although his whole family is ethnic Italian.

So he's not really the son of his father and his mother?

His whole family isn't ethnically Italian. At least half of them are racial Jews.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Croix de Fer on September 17, 2020, 12:59:36 AM
Where do you get this stuff? 

Fauci was raised a Catholic, in Jesuit schools:  https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/dr-anthony-fauci-dedicated-public-service-formed-jesuit-high-school.

Another article says "Fauci’s past is loaded with religion. He grew up in an Italian-American home that were devout Roman Catholics. He went to Regis High School, a prestigious Catholic school in New York City, and later attended Holy Cross College in Massachusetts." https://religionunplugged.com/news/2020/3/17/coronavirus-pandemic-dr-anthony-faucis-catholic-forgotten-upbringing.

I'm not promoting Fauci, and certainly not a Jesuit education.

But just because you enjoy conspiracy theories doesn't give you the right to make up facts.

Hence, the key word in the original thesis: CRYPTO-JEW
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on September 17, 2020, 01:16:51 AM
Anybody know about Book of Daniels prophecy in relation to a man making a peace deal and 70 x 70 or something?  During this mans leadership there will be no offerings or sacrifice - could this be the mass?

Trump signed a peace deal last week??

Keep in mind I never heard about this before but funny enough I was watching a crime programme on a lady in 1978 who killed her whole family because she thought it was the end of the world when there was a peace deal signed by the then President of America and she knew of a passage in the book of Daniels that she related to this deal ....and also she was obviously mentally suffering.

 :pray1:   There's something not right about delving into the details of Satan's doings at the possible end of the world (we don't know it is!) when it causes such mental (and spiritual) suffering. We have to know our faith and love God so that we just would never accept the mark of the beast - this doesn't require us to know or guess all the details of politics and modern technology that evil men are involved in.   Somehow we need to trust in God more and less in the internet.

Sigh, I know it is  hard as politics and technology affect our lives (I see the mental suffering in myself and my family), but somehow we have to redirect our focus.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: paul14 on September 17, 2020, 01:18:45 AM
Where do you get this stuff? 

Fauci was raised a Catholic, in Jesuit schools:  https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/dr-anthony-fauci-dedicated-public-service-formed-jesuit-high-school.

Another article says "Fauci’s past is loaded with religion. He grew up in an Italian-American home that were devout Roman Catholics. He went to Regis High School, a prestigious Catholic school in New York City, and later attended Holy Cross College in Massachusetts." https://religionunplugged.com/news/2020/3/17/coronavirus-pandemic-dr-anthony-faucis-catholic-forgotten-upbringing.

I'm not promoting Fauci, and certainly not a Jesuit education.

But just because you enjoy conspiracy theories doesn't give you the right to make up facts.

Hence, the key word in the original thesis: CRYPTO-JEW

Is that like a true Scotsman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman). </s>

context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on September 17, 2020, 02:35:29 AM
Anybody know about Book of Daniels prophecy in relation to a man making a peace deal and 70 x 70 or something?  During this mans leadership there will be no offerings or sacrifice - could this be the mass?

Trump signed a peace deal last week??

Keep in mind I never heard about this before but funny enough I was watching a crime programme on a lady in 1978 who killed her whole family because she thought it was the end of the world when there was a peace deal signed by the then President of America and she knew of a passage in the book of Daniels that she related to this deal ....and also she was obviously mentally suffering.


Ah I'm not too caught up in it, there is enough already to keep anyones heads spinning.  Just thought it was funny I saw this programme and then I heard about the peace deal.  Which by the way I only heard about because the press secretary (beautiful girl) gave out to the gathered press at a conference for not asking questions about it.

 :pray1:   There's something not right about delving into the details of Satan's doings at the possible end of the world (we don't know it is!) when it causes such mental (and spiritual) suffering. We have to know our faith and love God so that we just would never accept the mark of the beast - this doesn't require us to know or guess all the details of politics and modern technology that evil men are involved in.   Somehow we need to trust in God more and less in the internet.

Sigh, I know it is  hard as politics and technology affect our lives (I see the mental suffering in myself and my family), but somehow we have to redirect our focus.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on September 17, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
:pray1:   There's something not right about delving into the details of Satan's doings at the possible end of the world (we don't know it is!) when it causes such mental (and spiritual) suffering. We have to know our faith and love God so that we just would never accept the mark of the beast - this doesn't require us to know or guess all the details of politics and modern technology that evil men are involved in.   Somehow we need to trust in God more and less in the internet.

Sigh, I know it is  hard as politics and technology affect our lives (I see the mental suffering in myself and my family), but somehow we have to redirect our focus.

I don't think anyone here is "delving into the details of Satan's doings at the possible end of the world".  Scripture gives us a number of signs to look out for, and suggests that we watch AND pray.

If this makes you afraid, that's a shame.  But your own fear cannot be a reason for asking people to stop these discussions.  Scripture refers to the end of the world more than once and in the Nicene Creed we state categorically that Christ will come again.   For that to happen, the world has to be at the end.  So here's a suggestion.  If these discussions - which people have every reason to continue given what's going on - are causing you alarm, perhaps abstain from them for a while. 

You could also pray for courage.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 17, 2020, 12:25:53 PM
1978 - they avoided a lot of shit.

And 24 hour banking and call centres.

Thanks mum.

LOL.  Greg's Purgatorial time will consist of virtual, replayed visits to 24-hour banking and call centers, being kept on hold until he is cleansed of his sins.
 :lol:
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Miriam_M on September 17, 2020, 01:00:43 PM
I do, however, Awkward, understand what NN is saying.  I think she's speaking something similar (perhaps?) to why we're not supposed to be too inquisitive about the identity of the anti-Christ before he arrives. We are told that to be too curious about it can actually make us less perceptive about his identity, not more so.  (Sorry, I don't have the source, but I have read it in two or there places.)

I also agree that no one needs to stop having discussions because of other people's sensitivities.

NN, I do suggest avoiding whatever troubles your soul.  That is actually traditional Catholic spirituality -- the reason being that the devil relishes the troubled soul because it is fertile ground in which to sow doubt.  But I think a more concrete reason is that speculating consumes a huge amount of time, which seems endless because these questions will not be resolved until the respective events occur.  I know that I myself should spend time instead preparing for my own end (whether that comes as a result of apocalyptic events or before then), rather than trying to guess scenarios I have no control over.  Nevertheless, as you can see, I succumb to these temptations too often.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on September 17, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
1978 - they avoided a lot of shit.

And 24 hour banking and call centres.

Thanks mum.

LOL.  Greg's Purgatorial time will consist of virtual, replayed visits to 24-hour banking and call centers, being kept on hold until he is cleansed of his sins.
 :lol:

The holding is probably the best part, except for the fact that they play hold music that assumes their average customer is aged 15 when they are probably closer to 40.

It's when I have punched in my 12 digit account number and verified myself on their system and I then have to do it all over again that bothers me the most.

Yesterday an elderly neighbour of mine got an electricity bill for £6906.66 from EDF, (a French company that sells electricity in the UK) 2 weeks after I had called them and given the correct meter readings and get a correct bill.  The bill had 100,032 KWh of nighttime rate electricity on it.  The actual bill, after I screamed at them, was 200 pounds.  Wasted an hour on this crap.

You would think that a large company's billing system would be programmed in such a way that a bill like that could not possibly be printed and sent as the historical quarterly bill would be 30 times smaller.  That is a very simple piece of coding.

The worse thing is when you have to speak to some Indian who is only allowed to speak to you if they are reading from a script.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Pietrelcina on September 30, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
I think this pretty much sums it up from the video:  Look at who Trump's enemies are if you don't plan on voting for him.

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: drummerboy on October 02, 2020, 11:56:13 AM
Isn't it incredible to think that when St John was on the island of Patmos recording his visions in the Book of Revelations, he was actually referring to the covid vaccine, or more specifically, the vaccine delivery system which is detectable on your skin, contain nano needles which inject stuff into your cells and can also give access to all your financial and other data.

It's too incredible, or ridiculous, to be possible.

But, anyway, here's what happens to those who accept it.

Quote

And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels: Go, and pour out the seven vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a sore and grievous wound upon men, who had the character of the beast; and upon them that adored the image thereof.
Rev 16:1-2

It's the vaccine delivery system that's the problem.

Suddenly all the Anti-Vaxxers are quiter than a convent at 2am because their demi-God is promoting the Vaxx.

Nope, not this guy.  Trump is a business man, not a doctor.  If medical "experts" recommend a vaccine he will too.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on October 05, 2020, 03:39:49 PM
I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!

Just tweeted.
 - - -

That is not the tweet of a man who intends to force a vaccine on Americans.

I am going to buy some Aberdeen Angus Gold with the winnings.  Then cook it over 5 year seasoned English Oak and Apple and Cherry chips.

https://www.tomhixson.co.uk/aberdeen-angus-sirloin.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwiOv7BRBREiwAXHbv3JAoq0hOi8XDfneoBquYsmtz4lDJ6z5jOAI1oB5K2C0vKgHLJY8qpBoC4WAQAvD_BwE

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Graham on October 06, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!

Just tweeted.
 - - -

That is not the tweet of a man who intends to force a vaccine on Americans.

I am going to buy some Aberdeen Angus Gold with the winnings.  Then cook it over 5 year seasoned English Oak and Apple and Cherry chips.

https://www.tomhixson.co.uk/aberdeen-angus-sirloin.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwiOv7BRBREiwAXHbv3JAoq0hOi8XDfneoBquYsmtz4lDJ6z5jOAI1oB5K2C0vKgHLJY8qpBoC4WAQAvD_BwE

(https://i.postimg.cc/zG1nfWNX/Screenshot-20201006-093931-Twitter.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on October 08, 2020, 08:18:05 AM
His treatment ?

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1313992009535848449

from embryonic stem cells of mice!
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: dellery on October 08, 2020, 08:44:16 AM
His treatment ?

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1313992009535848449

from embryonic stem cells of mice!

I'm not following. What's wrong with this? Wouldn't it be better to use the stem cells of mice instead of an aborted child?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on October 08, 2020, 02:47:11 PM
His treatment ?

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1313992009535848449

from embryonic stem cells of mice!

I'm not following. What's wrong with this? Wouldn't it be better to use the stem cells of mice instead of an aborted child?

Yes it is but is it a crack in the door for human embryonic stem cells to be used especially seen as we have a very cheap effective medicine alread H C Q.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on October 08, 2020, 09:51:08 PM
His treatment ?

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1313992009535848449

from embryonic stem cells of mice!

I'm not following. What's wrong with this? Wouldn't it be better to use the stem cells of mice instead of an aborted child?

Yes it is but is it a crack in the door for human embryonic stem cells to be used especially seen as we have a very cheap effective medicine alread H C Q.

I don't know the truth of the situation (whether there is a conspiracy or not) but of course you know that the studies on HCQ have not been accepted as conclusive.  Even if HCQ seems to have done well in some cases, the FDA claims that it can sometimes cause very serious problems when used for Covid, based on scientific data they've studied:

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

Watch, pray, and trust in God. 
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on October 08, 2020, 11:27:33 PM
His treatment ?

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1313992009535848449

from embryonic stem cells of mice!

FDA are lying.

In Switzerland they were treating Covid from March with H C  Q , until the blip for two weeks where the Lancet journal allowed itself to be manipulated politically and posted that stupid study on H C Q.  They stopped dispensing it until the Lancet withdrew that extremely shady study and their covid deaths took a sharp incline for two weeks.  When Lancet withdrew the study, the deaths went back to very little again. 

Too many doctors have lost their jobs over H C Q saying that you can give it to breastfeeding and pregnant women and its dirt cheap.

I'm not following. What's wrong with this? Wouldn't it be better to use the stem cells of mice instead of an aborted child?

Yes it is but is it a crack in the door for human embryonic stem cells to be used especially seen as we have a very cheap effective medicine alread H C Q.

I don't know the truth of the situation (whether there is a conspiracy or not) but of course you know that the studies on HCQ have not been accepted as conclusive.  Even if HCQ seems to have done well in some cases, the FDA claims that it can sometimes cause very serious problems when used for Covid, based on scientific data they've studied:

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

Watch, pray, and trust in God.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: mikemac on October 09, 2020, 12:30:55 AM
His treatment ?

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1313992009535848449

from embryonic stem cells of mice!

I'm not following. What's wrong with this? Wouldn't it be better to use the stem cells of mice instead of an aborted child?

Yes it is but is it a crack in the door for human embryonic stem cells to be used especially seen as we have a very cheap effective medicine alread H C Q.

I don't know the truth of the situation (whether there is a conspiracy or not) but of course you know that the studies on HCQ have not been accepted as conclusive.  Even if HCQ seems to have done well in some cases, the FDA claims that it can sometimes cause very serious problems when used for Covid, based on scientific data they've studied:

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

Watch, pray, and trust in God.

FDA are lying.

In Switzerland they were treating Covid from March with H C  Q , until the blip for two weeks where the Lancet journal allowed itself to be manipulated politically and posted that stupid study on H C Q.  They stopped dispensing it until the Lancet withdrew that extremely shady study and their covid deaths took a sharp incline for two weeks.  When Lancet withdrew the study, the deaths went back to very little again. 

Too many doctors have lost their jobs over H C Q saying that you can give it to breastfeeding and pregnant women and its dirt cheap.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on October 09, 2020, 01:31:29 AM
Thanks MM,

It was the middle of the night and a bout of insomnia when I posted that :)


Trumps antibodies were of mice cells but look at this article and where this treatment maybe going.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/07/1009664/trumps-antibody-treatment-was-tested-using-cells-from-an-abortion/

BTW .....what is going on with his swollen cheekbone just under his right eye?

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on October 09, 2020, 02:42:07 PM
The article that diaduit linked to is well worth a full read.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/07/1009664/trumps-antibody-treatment-was-tested-using-cells-from-an-abortion/

Quote

Trump’s antibody treatment was tested using cells originally derived from an abortion
The Trump administration has looked to curtail research with fetal cells. But when it was life or death for the president, no one objected.


by Antonio Regalado
October 7, 2020

This week, President Donald Trump extolled the cutting-edge coronavirus treatments he received as “miracles coming down from God.” If that’s true, then God employs cell lines derived from human fetal tissue.

The emergency antibody that Trump received last week was developed with the use of a cell line originally derived from abortion tissue, according to Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, the company that developed the experimental drug.

The Trump administration has taken an increasingly firm line against medical research using fetal tissue from abortions. For example, when it moved in 2019 to curtail the ability of the National Institutes of Health to fund such research, supporters hailed a “major pro-life victory” and thanked Trump personally for taking decisive action against what they called the “outrageous and disgusting” practice of “experimentation using baby body parts.”

But when the president faced a deadly encounter with covid-19, his administration raised no objections over the fact that the new drugs also relied on fetal cells, and anti-abortion campaigners were silent too. Most likely, their hypocrisy was unwitting. Many types of medical and vaccine research employ supplies of cells originally acquired from abortion tissue. It would have taken an expert to realize that was the case with Trump’s treatment.

Last Friday, as Trump developed worrisome symptoms of covid-19, the president received an emergency cocktail of anti-coronavirus antibodies made by Regeneron. These molecules are manufactured in cells from a hamster’s ovary, so-called “CHO” cells, according to the company—not in human cells.

But cells originally derived from a fetus were used in another way. According to Regeneron, laboratory tests used to assess the potency of its antibodies employed a standardized supply of cells called HEK 293T, whose origin was kidney tissue from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s.

Since then, the 293T cells have been “immortalized,” meaning they keep dividing in the lab, somewhat like a cancer, and have undergone other genetic changes and additions.

According to Regeneron, it and many other labs employ 293T cells to manufacture virus “pseudoparticles,” which are virus-like structures that contain the “spike” protein of the deadly coronavirus. It needs those to test how well different antibodies will neutralize the virus.

The two antibodies Regeneron eventually put forward as an experimental treatment, which may have saved Trump’s life, would have been selected using exactly such tests. Because the 293T cells were acquired so long ago, and have lived so long in the laboratory, they are no longer thought of as involving abortion politics.

Related Story

Trump just got a dose of Regeneron’s unapproved antibody drug for covid
At 74 and overweight, the president is at higher risk for serious illness.

“It’s how you want to parse it,” says Alexandra Bowie, a Regeneron spokesperson. “But the 293T cell lines available today are not considered fetal tissue, and we did not otherwise use fetal tissue.”

The Trump administration has sought to block or curtail research that requires tissue from recently performed abortions. In August, for example, a new board created by the Department of Health and Human Services, and stacked with figures opposed to abortion, voted to withhold funding from 13 of 14 proposals.

The rejections centered on research seeking fresh supplies of abortion tissue, rather than ongoing research involving older, well-established cell lines in use for many years, like the type Regeneron employed. However, one reason some scientists want to study abortion tissue is so they can create new and valuable cell lines.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Lynne on October 09, 2020, 08:00:30 PM
https://www.lifenews.com/2020/10/08/no-president-trumps-regeneron-therapy-did-not-contain-human-embryonic-stem-cells/

Quote
Uninformed commentary has emerged this morning stating that President Trump has received a medication created with the use of human embryonic stem cells.  CLI has reviewed the published information and our conclusion is straightforward: The president was not given any medicines to treat COVID-19 that involved the destruction of human life.  No human embryonic stem cells or human fetal tissue were used to produce the treatments President Trump received–period.  Let’s look at the facts.

The Regeneron therapy given to the president was made in Velocimmune humanized mice, a novel platform that uses genetically modified mouse embryonic stem (ES) cells to generate antibodies described here and here.  Development of Regeneron’s antibody cocktail is detailed in the journal Science, describing how they identified their antibodies made from Velocimmune mice and blood from recovered patients previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

The final antibody pair used in the REGN-COV2 therapy cocktail was then produced in Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) cells.  Results from Regeneron’s REGN-COV2 clinical trials to treat COVID-19 patients are reported here.

Mouse embryonic stem cells and genetic modifications to make such mice date back to 1981, have been extensively studied, and were instrumental in the discovery of induced pluripotent stem (iPS) cells, another fully ethical alternative to fetal material, as discussed in this Nature review.  iPSCs are much easier to use than human embryonic stem cells, more flexible in their uses, and are not ethically controversial.  No one has ever advocated against using mouse embryonic stem cells for development of therapies – only against destruction of human lives.

And finally, the anti-viral medicine remdesivir and the anti-inflammatory corticosteroid dexamethasone, also given to the president to treat COVID-19, are chemicals—no cells of any kind were used to produce these medicines.

These facts reinforce this truth: Ethical treatments are saving lives every day–including the president of the United States.”

The Charlotte Lozier Institute urges Twitter, Facebook, and other social networks not to take down these erroneous comments but to supply a link to our full statement at lozierinstitute.org.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on October 09, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
https://www.lifenews.com/2020/10/08/no-president-trumps-regeneron-therapy-did-not-contain-human-embryonic-stem-cells/

Quote
Uninformed commentary has emerged this morning stating that President Trump has received a medication created with the use of human embryonic stem cells.  CLI has reviewed the published information and our conclusion is straightforward: The president was not given any medicines to treat COVID-19 that involved the destruction of human life.  No human embryonic stem cells or human fetal tissue were used to produce the treatments President Trump received–period.  Let’s look at the facts.

The Regeneron therapy given to the president was made in Velocimmune humanized mice, a novel platform that uses genetically modified mouse embryonic stem (ES) cells to generate antibodies described here and here.  Development of Regeneron’s antibody cocktail is detailed in the journal Science, describing how they identified their antibodies made from Velocimmune mice and blood from recovered patients previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

The final antibody pair used in the REGN-COV2 therapy cocktail was then produced in Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) cells.  Results from Regeneron’s REGN-COV2 clinical trials to treat COVID-19 patients are reported here.

Mouse embryonic stem cells and genetic modifications to make such mice date back to 1981, have been extensively studied, and were instrumental in the discovery of induced pluripotent stem (iPS) cells, another fully ethical alternative to fetal material, as discussed in this Nature review.  iPSCs are much easier to use than human embryonic stem cells, more flexible in their uses, and are not ethically controversial.  No one has ever advocated against using mouse embryonic stem cells for development of therapies – only against destruction of human lives.

And finally, the anti-viral medicine remdesivir and the anti-inflammatory corticosteroid dexamethasone, also given to the president to treat COVID-19, are chemicals—no cells of any kind were used to produce these medicines.

These facts reinforce this truth: Ethical treatments are saving lives every day–including the president of the United States.”

The Charlotte Lozier Institute urges Twitter, Facebook, and other social networks not to take down these erroneous comments but to supply a link to our full statement at lozierinstitute.org.

Isn't this missing the point?  It's not the drugs that contain the human fetal material but the laboratory tests, because they rely on cells whose origin was from kidney tissue from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s, according to the article.

The drugs were tested using these cells which keep multiplying in the laboratory but because it was so long ago, they are not considered to be fetal material any longer.  If I'm understanding this correctly that is.

It's quite horrible though.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on October 09, 2020, 10:16:43 PM
Following the link from the LifeSiteNews article Lynne posted it appears the issue is still being discussed (there is/was a "press call" today 10/9...)

https://lozierinstitute.org/scientists-scholars-debunk-misinformation-false-claims-about-president-trumps-covid-19-treatment/

Quote
Scientists, Scholars Debunk Misinformation, False Claims about President Trump’s COVID-19 Treatment
Charlotte Lozier Institute  |  October 9, 2020.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 9, 2020 | Link

Contact: Prudence Robertson, probertson@sbalist.org; Nicole Stacy nstacy@sbalist.org

** Press Call Today **

Washington, D.C. –  Cellular biologists and researchers with the Charlotte Lozier Institute will hold a call for press this afternoon to debunk the uninformed commentary and misleading press reports that President Donald J. Trump’s treatment for COVID-19 included therapies that were developed using means that destroyed human life.

To RSVP to the call and receive call-in instructions, please email Prudence Robertson: proberston@sbalist.org

What: Responding to Misinformation Regarding President Trump’s COVID-19 Treatment

Who:  David Prentice, Ph.D., Vice President & Research Director, Charlotte Lozier Institute and Tara Sander Lee, Ph.D., Senior Fellow & Director of Life Sciences, Charlotte Lozier Institute

When: Friday, October 9, 2020 at 2 PM Eastern Time

Topics to be addressed on the call include false assertions reported by news outlets, as well as:

    The false claim that Regeneron’s antibody drug given to President Trump was made using fetal tissue/fetal cells/embryonic stem cells – historic or otherwise
   
 The distinction between fetal cell line HEK293T and fresh fetal tissue; how fetal cell line HEK293T was used and whether this historic fetal cell line is necessary today


    The Trump Administrations recent change in funding related to fetal tissue research and alleged hypocrisy as it relates to COVID-19 treatments

Earlier this week, Drs. Prentice and Sander Lee issued a statement outlining misleading claims on these topics and have since engaged in several conversations with reporters.

To RSVP to the call and receive call-in instructions, please email Prudence Robertson: proberston@sbalist.org

Charlotte Lozier Institute was launched in 2011 as the education and research arm of Susan B. Anthony List. CLI is a hub for research and public policy analysis on some of the most pressing issues facing the United States and nations around the world. The Institute is named for a feminist physician known for her commitment to the sanctity of human life and equal career and educational opportunities for women.  The 175th anniversary of Dr. Charlotte Denman Lozier’s birth occurred on March 16, 2019.

I want to hear just what they say about the questions.  Maybe fetal cell line was used so remotely from Trump's remedy e.g. in early testing that it was never necessary in the first place, let alone a part of the remedy.  However Trump and the supreme court etc. do need to be humble enough to ban using fetal cell lines altogether.

Catholic Moral Theology needs to be considered.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on October 10, 2020, 05:21:12 AM

I want to hear just what they say about the questions.  Maybe fetal cell line was used so remotely from Trump's remedy e.g. in early testing that it was never necessary in the first place, let alone a part of the remedy.  However Trump and the supreme court etc. do need to be humble enough to ban using fetal cell lines altogether.

Catholic Moral Theology needs to be considered.

To be fair, the Technology Review article posted by diaduit does say that the use of fetal cell lines in the laboratory tests might be something that people aren't always aware of.  But the point remains that the cell lines used to test drugs can originate from aborted fetal tissue.

How sickening can things get?  They claim that these cell lines should no longer be considered as fetal material because the cells have been multiplying for so many years in a laboratory.  But they originated in an aborted babies kidneys nevertheless.

On a more trivial but illustrative note, the 'probiotic' part of probiotic yogurt also uses cell lines from the fecal material of one man, taken in the 1960s (?) and used to create the cell lines ever since.  So of you eat probiotic yogurt, which I haven't since hearing that, your are consuming material which originated in someone's bowel.  No-one will convince me to eat probiotic yogurt again.  The cells multiplied from that one man's cells.  Yuck.  So I find it impossible to separate the cell lines growing in labs today from the original cells that were gathered to begin the cell lines.

You're right that Catholic Moral Theology needs to be considered here, especially as people may not be aware of the tricks that are being pulled here.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on October 10, 2020, 05:31:00 AM
The act of colonisation is nothing more than state sanctioned theft. The locals never offered to share their lands, they were chased off them.  However, America and Australia are better off for it, despite the historical injustice.  We stole their lands and made them much better.

I don't see that cells grown from cells is much different morally.  All sorts of benefits we have today started with immoral beginnings.

As for poop I collect mine and use it to fertilise my lawn. The bacteria in that man's poop and the yogurt are in your own gut.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Sempronius on October 10, 2020, 06:45:48 AM
The act of colonisation is nothing more than state sanctioned theft. The locals never offered to share their lands, they were chased off them.  However, America and Australia are better off for it, despite the historical injustice.  We stole their lands and made them much better.

I don't see that cells grown from cells is much different morally.  All sorts of benefits we have today started with immoral beginnings.

As for poop I collect mine and use it to fertilise my lawn. The bacteria in that man's poop and the yogurt are in your own gut.

So you think that its okay to kill a baby and take his cell lines?
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on October 10, 2020, 09:20:31 AM
No, but the greater evil is killing the baby.

The act of taking the cells and growing them could also be done from a miscarried baby and I don't see what would be wrong about doing that.  People donate their organs to science after all.

It is troublesome that the cell lines came from an aborted baby, but in and of themselves I don't see it is immoral to keep human cell lines multiplying over the decades.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: mikemac on October 10, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
Trump's puffy face is probably due to the anti-inflammatory corticosteroid dexamethasone.  When I was in the hospital in January I was administered a corticosteroid and my feet swelled.  When I was administered a water pill the swelling went down. 
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Innocent Smith on October 11, 2020, 05:30:44 PM
I wear not having voted for Trump in 2016 as a badge of honor.  I won't be voting for him in 2020 either.

Kudos for your honesty and willingness to admit.  I want Trump to win, but I won't be voting at all.  I refuse to be disenfranchised of my time and go through Covid "protocols".  Plus, I did not vote in 2012 either.  Only reason I voted in 2008 was because a lady friend guilted me into voting against Obongo.  Wouldn't matter anyway as my state is Red.  As in Communist.  I'm still sore about the trans-color event in the early '90s as Democrats complained about True Blue Republicans having a color imbalance that had to be rectified as it gave them an unfair advantage.  And besides, everyone knows Red is the color of the International. 

So yeah, my point was that voting Republican in IL for president is a waste of time. 
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: dellery on October 11, 2020, 05:38:12 PM
As for poop I collect mine and use it to fertilise my lawn.

 :huh:
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on October 11, 2020, 05:43:45 PM
Called a composting toilet.  Very effective.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Elizabeth.2 on October 14, 2020, 10:04:39 PM

I want to hear just what they say about the questions.  Maybe fetal cell line was used so remotely from Trump's remedy e.g. in early testing that it was never necessary in the first place, let alone a part of the remedy.  However Trump and the supreme court etc. do need to be humble enough to ban using fetal cell lines altogether.

Catholic Moral Theology needs to be considered.

To be fair, the Technology Review article posted by diaduit does say that the use of fetal cell lines in the laboratory tests might be something that people aren't always aware of.  But the point remains that the cell lines used to test drugs can originate from aborted fetal tissue.

How sickening can things get?  They claim that these cell lines should no longer be considered as fetal material because the cells have been multiplying for so many years in a laboratory.  But they originated in an aborted babies kidneys nevertheless.

On a more trivial but illustrative note, the 'probiotic' part of probiotic yogurt also uses cell lines from the fecal material of one man, taken in the 1960s (?) and used to create the cell lines ever since.  So of you eat probiotic yogurt, which I haven't since hearing that, your are consuming material which originated in someone's bowel.  No-one will convince me to eat probiotic yogurt again.  The cells multiplied from that one man's cells.  Yuck.  So I find it impossible to separate the cell lines growing in labs today from the original cells that were gathered to begin the cell lines.

You're right that Catholic Moral Theology needs to be considered here, especially as people may not be aware of the tricks that are being pulled here.
  :madsmiley: :madsmiley: :madsmiley:
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: LongHaired CountryBoy on October 18, 2020, 03:22:28 PM
circa 2014: Croix de Fer predicted an engineered pandemic is coming to be the scapegoat that collapses the economy/financial system.

https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?pretty;board=7;topic=34530.0

"The crash will occur when the Bankersteins decide to crash it. The system is completely manipulated and rigged to crash. The currency, money supply and economic system is not some free dynamic that has random vulnerabilities & unequilibriums that the Bankersteins brainwash the herd into believing. Their scapegoat, or "black swan" event, will be orchestrated by them, too, and it will occur before the economic collapse, as to use as blame for "causing" it, thereby diverting attention away from themselves. Instead of rage and revolt against the the Bankersteins, there will be fear, distraction and many, many losses of life due to the engineered diversion, which I strongly believe will be a pandemic."
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Greg on October 18, 2020, 04:53:02 PM
LongHaired CountryBoy is Croix de Fer

Reported to KK please ban
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Heinrich on October 18, 2020, 05:48:05 PM
LongHaired CountryBoy is Croix de Fer

Reported to KK please ban

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: TradGranny on October 31, 2020, 04:06:56 PM
So let me get this straight. This whole thread attacking the ONE PERSON standing in the way of the puppet-masters behind empty-suit Biden and sleep-her-way-to-the-top (and slaveowner-family) Harris  is based on the uninformed babble of some old know-nothing hag? Pleeease.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Lynne on October 31, 2020, 07:35:00 PM
So let me get this straight. This whole thread attacking the ONE PERSON standing in the way of the puppet-masters behind empty-suit Biden and sleep-her-way-to-the-top (and slaveowner-family) Harris  is based on the uninformed babble of some old know-nothing hag? Pleeease.

The person who started the thread has since been banned.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: magdalena59 on November 12, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
I hope I am not derailing this thread. I do not post here very often and started reading through the posts in this thread and noticed that many people stated they would not or did not vote for Trump.

Are many in support of Biden and Harris then, or third party politicians?

Sorry, a little scary to me, so just clarifying.

Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: Non Nobis on November 12, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
I hope I am not derailing this thread. I do not post here very often and started reading through the posts in this thread and noticed that many people stated they would not or did not vote for Trump.

Are many in support of Biden and Harris then, or third party politicians?

Sorry, a little scary to me, so just clarifying.

I would be totally shocked if anyone here supported Biden and Harris.  Not voting or a 3rd party or write-in might be optio n s. Not everyone is from the U.S.

I support Trump, and still pray frauds are proven against Biden and Trump is accepted as winner.
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: diaduit on November 13, 2020, 04:46:13 AM
I've posted my doubts on Trump (I'm not American and don't have a vote) but I would never support Biden.  Not being for Trump is not an endorsement of the other corrupt Biden
Title: Re: Trump Covertly Implementing Transhumanism & Mark of the Beast
Post by: awkwardcustomer on November 13, 2020, 07:52:36 AM
I hope I am not derailing this thread. I do not post here very often and started reading through the posts in this thread and noticed that many people stated they would not or did not vote for Trump.

Are many in support of Biden and Harris then, or third party politicians?

Sorry, a little scary to me, so just clarifying.

I would be totally shocked if anyone here supported Biden and Harris.  Not voting or a 3rd party or write-in might be optio n s. Not everyone is from the U.S.

I support Trump, and still pray frauds are proven against Biden and Trump is accepted as winner.

I'm not from the US, but if I were, I would definitely NOT vote for Biden/Harris.  However, about 10 years ago I realised that the entire UK electoral system is corrupt and so I stopped voting completely. 

And now that blatant electoral fraud is going to ensure that Biden is the next US president, I have to wonder why people are appealing to a corrupt system for a way out of the corruption.

Vote Trump, get Biden.